SketchUP 8
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Hi,
I can currently see no advantage for me in Sketchup 8 Pro. I, like many others, had wished that the error with the toolbar in Sketchup 7 will be corrected.
Most of the additions or improvements seems to be in connection with Google Earth.
After I had copied all of my plugins, Materials and Styles into Sketchup8 it opened with an error and I had to remove five plugins.
Then I took a speed test with the two Rubies, Test.skp and SU framerate Test.skp through. The result was as follows:
Charly
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@charly2008 said:
Then I took a speed test with the two Rubies, Test.skp and SU framerate Test.skp through. The result was as follows:
Charly
meh, what exactly is that test telling you? i mean, it's spewing out some numbers and people just assume higher numbers = better sketchup performance.. i did that test last year and here's the results..
so, according to that, sketchup is 6x faster than windows on a mac and i'm having a very hard time believing that.. i'm calling bs.
stupid test
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@charly2008 said:
Hi Jeff,
I see the test results only as an index to compare the two versions on my PC system. If a performance increase would have occurred the tests would have to show the differences. Or I see this wrong?
Charly
my point was, what do those numbers mean? like if your su8 tests came back with 50fps, how would that benefit your workflow etc?
or to rephrase, what exactly are you testing with that test?
if the answer is 'performance' then you're obviously using the wrong OS for your sketchuping.. (but like i said, windows and mac sketchup run about the same from what i've seen so 'performance' is not what that test is testing)
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Hi Jeff,
The tests are not good to compare the versions on other PC systems. I see the test results only as an index to compare the two versions on one individual PC system. If a performance increase would have occurred the tests would have to show the differences. Or I see this wrong?
Can you repeat your Test with Sketchup 8 just to compare your values?
Charly
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Then let it tell me so. Subjectively, I find no difference when working with Sketchup 8, for example, with high poly models.
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@charly2008 said:
I find no difference when working with Sketchup 8, for example, with high poly models.
Unfortunately, neither do I.
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Krisidious:
The installation doesn't start so there is no place to put plugins -
well plugins are installed in the folder structure manually. if you have not installed anything but SketchUp 8 and it does not work I would uninstall and then reinstall. what system are you running and what OS?
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@krisidious said:
@unknownuser said:
2nd edit: It has taken me precisely 5 minutes to see that there is not much new there. Layout 3 looks very interesting though. Dwg export makes it worth buying.
I used the DWG Export in Layout3 and it seems to be kinda fake... it does export the layout lines to Auto-CAD and it converts text to actual Auto-CAD text, however the Sketchup model itself does not export out of layout as vector lines. it comes out as a referenced image in the dwg file.
If your SU viewport uses Vector rendering, the DWG output has vector lines.
Anssi
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Coen - you're taking a quote out of a context...
The original question was what the difference is between Free and Pro and I replied with a few examples... (I don't use LayOut myself, but it's still a significan't difference between Free and Pro...!)
In several posts I've also expressed my concern and also said that I don't find Google being able to justify this as a major release like the shift in version number suggest...I agree with A LOT of what have been written here, however, I still see SU being a really good companion for a lot of the 3D work I do...
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@krisidious said:
I used the DWG Export in Layout3 and it seems to be kinda fake... it does export the layout lines to Auto-CAD and it converts text to actual Auto-CAD text, however the Sketchup model itself does not export out of layout as vector lines. it comes out as a referenced image in the dwg file.
LayOut is exporting the exactly what has been rendered in the model view. If you want vectors in the exported file, be sure that you have vector rendered the model view.
john
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@charly2008 said:
I can currently see no advantage for me in Sketchup 8 Pro. I, like many others, had wished that the error with the toolbar in Sketchup 7 will be corrected.
We added a feature in SU8 that allows you to save and restore toolbar configurations. Was this not the error you wanted corrected?
@charly2008 said:
Most of the additions or improvements seems to be in connection with Google Earth.
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world. In many parts of the world, you can now build a site model with accurate terrain, aerial and street-level photography and rough massing models for adjacent structures in minutes... without leaving your desk.
john
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@rickgraham said:
Sorry - but just about every other major upgrade that I have used (vX to vX) had visual differences. Sadly, v8 FREE visually looks EXACTLY like v7. No new visual improvements. It may be faster, speed-wise but I would have preferred to have some visual differences. It looks like a Win 95 interface for 2010 and beyond. Heck, even some betas that I've been involved in look radically different form Beta to beta.
Hi Rick,
Many users prefer that the look of the UI not change dramatically from release to release.
john
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@jaxcoffee said:
I liked grabbing the Ariel from Google Earth better. The graphics coming into 8 seem a little fuzzy to me with this new method. I'll have to test it on some other regions, but it's a little clumsy, most likely because it's new. Old work flows die hard.
The old 'from Earth' method was actually providing you with considerably less detailed data. Particularly so in the case of the terrain data, which is now pulled directly from a shiny new terrain data service that gives you direct access to the best quality that Google has in your chosen location. As far as the imagery is concerned, the new "Add Location" UI gives you exactly what you see on the screen when you press the 'Grab' button. If you want more resolution in the imagery, zoom in.
john
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[oh no, SU team is in the thread now.. hoping they don't notice the slip-up leading to an easy work around for getting set north in sufree on macs
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@cadmunkey said:
Jeez.. no 64 bit version in 2010? C'mon Google you've dropped the ball! You beta testers couldnt persuade them?
What benefit do you hope to gain from a 64-bit version of SketchUp? This is really this question that needs to be discussed.
john
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@johnsenior1973 said:
@frederik said:
@notareal said:
...but a major version release - it does not add up.
Couldn't agree more... This should have been a v.7.2 or something...
~ v 6.4 for me.
SU7 and SU8 are just point upgrades from SU6 IMO. Sketchup is still an awesome programme, but it is pretty much as good as it's ever going to be.
You're just making semantic judgements- that doesn't have anything to do with our decision to increment the version number. We increment to a major version number when we think that we've made enough changes that users will want to keep both the new version and the old version installed side-by-side. If we made this release "7.2" or something like that, you wouldn't be able to keep your 7.1 build installed at the same time.
john
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@panga said:
The worst thing in Google developpement process of SU, is that they maintain a big silence before each of their release for finally releasing just some powder (despite their mutiples polls) , making SU a google earth plugin !! Com'on, is that serious ?!!
We don't, as a matter of policy, discuss unreleased features in any Google product. Similarly, we didn't pre-announce features in development when we were @Last Software. We do listen to user input, but it doesn't guide 100% of our development effort. We also have our own ideas about features we'd like to add to SketchUp next.
Generally speaking, I think we've got a good release when we've got something that the user community asked for, something genuinely new on the market, and some basic improvement to the core application. I think we did all of that with this release.
john
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@fossa said:
SU's future development is crystal clear as far as I'm concerned. Someone said earlier "google earth plugin", and I couldn't agree more. Until one of the other companies decides there is enough revenue to be generated by adding some SU like tools into their product line we are stuck with SU as it currently is.
Better learn to love it as is. Its not going anywhere.
Correct. We're not going anywhere. We are planning to continue developing SketchUp as "3D modeling for everyone." Exactly what we've been doing for the last ten years. Happily, SketchUp usage continues to increase at a respectable clip every month, and we're finding new users in all kinds of unexpected markets.
We don't have plans to shift our roadmap to more completely duplicate the capabilities of either the large DCC apps (like Max, Maya, Softimage, Cinema4d, or Lightwave) or the BIM apps (like Revit or Archicad). But this shouldn't really come as a surprise to any of you that have been with us for a while.
john
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@rickgraham said:
Having been on the beta test process for several Autodesk products, I can say with 100% certainty that requests won't go unanswered. In one of them, they even personally emailed me for more information and how I would use it in my workflow.
I think if you were a part of our beta program, you'd find that we are similarly responsive there. There's a difference between the level of communication possible behind the protection of an NDA and a open public discourse like we're having here– but I think we're pretty open regardless. Of course openness means we'll discuss issues as we see them, not that we'll implement 100% of your feature requests. We're not a huge team, and we have our own ideas about where we want to take SketchUp.
btw: this "SketchUp is nothing but a Google Earth Plugin" meme some of you are promoting is really a bit short sighted, and I hope it doesn't prevent you from taking advantage of the cools stuff we're able to build leveraging Google's vast collection of geo-data for architectural design and planning.
john
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