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    [Plugin] Manifold v2.2

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    • D 離線
      driven
      最後由 編輯

      TIG,
      I've got a couple of test on the go, I'll report on them when they're cooked.

      some additional ?'s

      which should be faster for manifold, simply continuing after fail or a manual repair than re-test continue

      would it be possible to choose bothquad's and tri's as two separate groups, if you have two different post destinations for the object?

      or would EraseCoplanar on a copy of a Tri'd group give identical mesh results?

      learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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      • D 離線
        driven
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        TIG- found the problem with the Bool'd groups -BT can create a group inside a group when bool-ing more than two groups, which I should have spotted in Outliner.

        When manifold highlighted RED and said 'NO' I simply exploded the extra group and answered my earlier ?, it was much faster on the bool'd group and I assume would be the similar on a manually repaired group.

        Note for users: The manual option also gives more control over the mesh shape at the torus/box intersection.

        Basically TIG you've done a fantastic job on this, thank you

        I'm convinced you, Chuck, and I won't be the only end-user's for this, it has soo many uses.

        for now I'll keep putting up images that help or hinder, and get back to some bent text testing....

        do you think it's ready for a wider audience yet, I'm planing on trying to do a tutorial when your happy?
        un-intersected single groupinitial test picked up the buried group and then 'presto'

        ADD: it's what I thought re: tri/quads, just thought I'd ask

        learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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        • TIGT 離線
          TIG Moderator
          最後由 編輯

          @driven said:

          TIG,
          I've got a couple of test on the go, I'll report on them when they're cooked.
          some additional ?'s
          which should be faster for manifold, simply continuing after fail or a manual repair than re-test continue
          would it be possible to choose bothquad's and tri's as two separate groups, if you have two different post destinations for the object?
          or would EraseCoplanar on a copy of a Tri'd group give identical mesh results?

          Manual fix versus Auto-fix depends on what needs fixing - making it right in the first place is the best bet 😉
          If you choose NOT to triangulate but then want a triangulated version then copy it and simply select all faces and run my [+tt's] tool triangulate_faces and you'll have the same result - uses the same code... 🤓

          TIG

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          • D 離線
            driven
            最後由 編輯

            Even Likes Curves, but they will slow it down.

            seems a lot quicker than before on this sort of thing

            learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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            • TIGT 離線
              TIG Moderator
              最後由 編輯

              Here's v2.0 http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=218691#p218691

              Glitch in health-check if very small edges in faces fixed...

              TIG

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              • thomthomT 離線
                thomthom
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                v2 ? is this a major or minor update?

                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
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                • TIGT 離線
                  TIG Moderator
                  最後由 編輯

                  @thomthom said:

                  v2 ? is this a major or minor update?

                  The tweaks were relatively minor - BUT as I am unlikely to make many more changes in the short-term I thought I'd mark it with '2.0'... 😉

                  TIG

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                  • pilouP 離線
                    pilou
                    最後由 編輯

                    I have missed this new true gem! 😳

                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                    • pilouP 離線
                      pilou
                      最後由 編輯

                      When I use Manifold I obtain that ok
                      But When I kill or move the group red repair
                      I have the original copy with killed internal faces Yes ok ☀ , but always segments on the faces! 😮
                      Does it normal? A simple box with 6 faces must be result ? No clean selection?
                      bug.png

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • TIGT 離線
                        TIG Moderator
                        最後由 編輯

                        @unknownuser said:

                        When I use Manifold I obtain that ok
                        But When I kill or move the group red repair
                        I have the original copy with killed internal faces Yes ok ☀ , but always segments on the faces! 😮
                        Does it normal? A simple box with 6 faces must be result ? No clean selection?
                        [attachment=0:2jmg80n7]<!-- ia0 -->bug.png<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:2jmg80n7]

                        This is correct.
                        The internal faces are removed by any edges they has forming part of the external envelope are kept.
                        If you want rid of then use one of the tools that removes coplanar edges...
                        It could seek to remove coplanar edges too ?

                        TIG

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                        • TIGT 離線
                          TIG Moderator
                          最後由 編輯

                          Here's v2.1
                          http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=218691#p218691

                          It now has the option to remove coplanar edges before triangulation, this will minimize the number of faces -useful if for example internal faces have been removed and their old edges are not needed to keep the external 'manifold' skin intact...

                          TIG

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                          • pilouP 離線
                            pilou
                            最後由 編輯

                            Cool now we have possibility or not to "clean" the model in the same time 😉

                            Frenchy Pilou
                            Is beautiful that please without concept!
                            My Little site :)

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                            • pilouP 離線
                              pilou
                              最後由 編輯

                              2 volumes
                              copy move

                              for each selected (2 volumes) Intersect Selected
                              Group

                              for each "group" apply Manifold
                              with same answers : Yes for the first question (of course)
                              and No for the others questions

                              Curious result is not the same! 😮
                              Is that normal?
                              test.png


                              test.skp

                              Frenchy Pilou
                              Is beautiful that please without concept!
                              My Little site :)

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                              • D 離線
                                driven
                                最後由 編輯

                                @Pilou,

                                tested your .skp on mac and got two different results? first time I opened SU from your download file, 2nd time I opened it from inside SU, but that was the only thing I changed, something odd??
                                double check manifold.jpeg

                                learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                                • TIGT 離線
                                  TIG Moderator
                                  最後由 編輯

                                  Manifold has to start somewhere in its checking - the first entity it encounters might not always be the same so you get differing results if there's a big mess...

                                  Manifold was written to do specific job - check that a group is 'manifold' and if not try to fix it - it is so that when you export your model - e.g. to 3D-printer software - it will work. As it says at the start 'give us break' and try and at least offer it a set of geometry you hope might be manifold - it is NOT a boolean tool to merge volumes - it tries to decide which is the face to keep but sometimes removing or healing something changes the form - hence the colored 'report' group.

                                  Before using 'manifold' try manually to get rid of at least a few known internal faces etc [x-ray mode + hide is good for this] - then the processing is quicker and more consistent...

                                  😒

                                  TIG

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                                  • pilouP 離線
                                    pilou
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    I well understand 😄
                                    The only curious thing is that it not the same result for 2 similar groups inspected 😉

                                    Frenchy Pilou
                                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                    My Little site :)

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                                    • M 離線
                                      make.GQ.china
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                                      Thank you for your plug-ins! 😎 😍

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                                      • TIGT 離線
                                        TIG Moderator
                                        最後由 編輯

                                        Here's v2.2 - updated FR lingvo file [thanks to Didier Bur] and glitches with Tooltips and other strings deBabelizing now sorted...
                                        http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=218691#p218691

                                        TIG

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                                        • P 離線
                                          pdwyer
                                          最後由 編輯

                                          Does/should this work with SU 8?

                                          I'm not seeing any colours or new models created, even with the downloaded example but the example skp file is v7.

                                          I suspect v8 needs a plugin like this too. If there is some other way to find doubles/duplicates/manifolds etc I'd love to know

                                          Cheers

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                                          • TIGT 離線
                                            TIG Moderator
                                            最後由 編輯

                                            @pdwyer said:

                                            Does/should this work with SU 8?

                                            I'm not seeing any colours or new models created, even with the downloaded example but the example skp file is v7.

                                            I suspect v8 needs a plugin like this too. If there is some other way to find doubles/duplicates/manifolds etc I'd love to know

                                            Cheers

                                            In v8 there are 'manifold' functions built in...

                                            TIG

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