Help Me Draw A Dome [TUTORIAL]

Gaieus

Well, from a given dpi you cannot make "better" resolution by simply "upping" the number. 200 dpi (that I sent) is way enough I think so if you keep that, you will be fine. 300 dpi is something prints demand for nice, quality colour picture books. But since I exported with vector settings, that must be fine for B&W line output.

I had a look at the pdf file. I cannot really say much as I should print it out to see how the parts fit and I do not have a printer.

D0me

Thanks for the info on DPI.

I will print the model today and see how I can puzzle it together.
Wish me luck. Hope all goes well.

Thanks again for printing it to A0. As I said previously, anything I can get my hands on will really help and that's exactly what happened. It really did help with the A0 print.

Take Care
Regards
D0me

D0me

Hi Gaieus
Hope you are well.

I have printed my model on A4 and I'm happy to report that I puzzled the A4 pages together and it fitted perfectly. The model dimensions were Spot On.

2 Questions.

How do I now print the model onto an A0 page myself just the way you have done? I know you did mention something about layout but I didn't quite understand what it is?
Is it possible to print my model with hidden geometry on. I have some ideas in mind and it's got to do with Hidden Geometry being on, in the model and I want to print and see if it makes any sense.

Thanks
Regards
D0me

Gaieus

Well, LayOut is an additional program (for 2D presentation and drafting) that comes with SU Pro. You can also install SU Pro if you want and have 8 full working hours with it and its full, unlimited features. After those 8 hours, it will simply revert to the functions of the free version and you can continue working wits SU as before.

Or I can export it for you from my LO as before.

And surely it is possible to export with hidden geometry on - however for some reason, when I change the rendering method from raster to either hybrid or vector, hidden geometry is not displayed in LO. I hope that the raster output will be good enough quality for you to print - see attached below.

Dome_HiddenGeometry.pdf

chrisglasier

I hate to say this but if you really want to use a grid, it should overlay the model so that you can see where it intersects the models lines. As I said a grid is unnecessary here but you should bear it in mind for free-form designs when it would be almost essential.

Sorry.

D0me

Hi Gaieus

I'm tempted to download SU pro to test these cool features but 8 Hours is a short time so I would have to allocated enough time for me to make full use of the 8 Hours that's allows.

Thanks for printing the model for me but is it possible to print it out in the following way.

I require both the brown and grey dome only. The printout is not the section cut but the model itself.
Both domes are required from a Top and Bottom view of only 2 slices of each dome with the hidden geometry on. The 2 slices are the slice with the entrance and one of the back slices. I have attached an image of the brown dome as an example indicating which portion of the dome I require.

Brown Dome + Hidden Geomatry Top.jpg
Brown Dome + Hidden Geomatry Bottom.jpg

Thanks for your help.
Much appreciated
Regards
D0me

Gaieus

@chrisglasier said:

...if you really want to use a grid, it should overlay the model so that you can see where it intersects the models lines...

Here is a version with the grid lines overlaid.

Dome_HiddenGeometryGridOverlay.pdf

@unknownuser said:

Both domes are required from a Top and Bottom view of only 2 slices of each dome with the hidden geometry on. The 2 slices are the slice with the entrance and one of the back slices. I have attached an image of the brown dome as an example indicating which portion of the dome I require.

Hm... I don't really get this I am afraid. What you write is not exactly what's in the pictures.

As for the eight hours - they are pure, real working hours so it doesn't mean that if you install the program in the morning and go for a walk, it will expire by the afternoon.

chrisglasier

V quick.

Looking at it makes me dizzy!

TIG

On the topic of Volume...
There are two volume tools - v1.8 is a slow but reliable method, using 'integration' of slices - this has 'accuracy' settings; and v2 which uses a whizzy topographical method that's quick but requires a 'perfect' set of 'manifold' faces enclosing the volumes...
You are trying the 'sensitive' one !
Your shapes must have internal 'partitions' which it won't like...
Make a copy of what you need to get the volume from, off to one side.
Explode the parts and re-group them into one thing, to get its volume...
Try using Xray mode, section-cuts etc to find, access and remove internal 'partitions'.
Also ensure there are no 'holes in the faces as the volume will 'leak out' [just like water would] and fail...
If you can publish your skp I'll look at it...

TIG

I need the SKP not a PDF ?

Gaieus

@d0me said:

Hi Gaieus

Ok lets break my request down.

Can we firstly slice my entrance in equal halves where the seams of the 2 dome slice and entrance meet?
Then, if we look at the dome from the front view, I need the 1 slice of the entrance and the 1 back slice of the behind that same entrance printed with their hidden geometry on.
I have attached a Jpeg of the 2 slices I require including the entrance. Once the entrance is split, it will make a little more sense.

Sorry dome I still do not get it. Are you talking about section cuts? Why don't you place one (just roughly) and orient your model in a view I can understand and can do the printout?

D0me

Hi Gaieus

Ok lets break my request down.

Can we firstly slice my entrance in equal halves where the seams of the 2 dome slice and entrance meet?
Then, if we look at the dome from the front view, I need the 1 slice of the entrance and 1 back slice of behind that same entrance printed with their hidden geometry on.
I have attached a Jpeg of the 2 slices I require including the entrance. Once the entrance is split, it will make a little more sense.

Brown Dome (2 Slices).jpg

TIG, I have attached my latest version of the model which Gaieus has helped me build.

Thanks guys
Regards
D0me

Dome V2 Final redone.pdf

D0me

Hi Guys

TIG: Sorry about that. I got so many files for this model that i get confused.
SKP is now attached.

Gaieus: It's not the Section Cut, its the dome model itself. I have printed what I require to PDF. Currently its on a 1:5 scale. I require it to be on a 1:1 scale.

Thanks
Regards
D0me

Dome V2 Final redone.skp

Dome + Hidden Geometry.pdf

Gaieus

And in this perspective format or orthogonal? (Perspective cannot be printed to scale). Also, no grey dome then? (Above you said brown and grey). And in colour or B&W?

D0me

Hi Gaieus

Orthogonal is fine. The Grey dome will need to be printed on a separate page. Black and White is perfect.

Edit: Sorry Gaieus, can I ask for 1 more favor? Can you give me 3 views of each of the domes. I need the Right , Back and Top view if possible.

Thanks
Regards
D0me

TIG

Here's a SKP with the Volumes done by Integration.
I separated the colored parts. I thought you might want them like that ?
There's also a total...
I had to combine the pieces and then remove some internal partitions etc...Dome V2 Final redone [Volume].skp

chrisglasier

So TIG it seems you made Stinkie's head gear as well ...
Anim Device005.png

Gaieus

Okay, here is one of the Brown dome on 3 pages. It actually fit on an A1 paper but the bigger ones will not fit for sure. Shall I rather export this on an A3 instead?

Dome_HiddenGeometry3View.pdf

D0me

Hi Gaieus

Thanks for printing me the Requested views. Sorry, forgot to tell to turn off the Grids. Please can you reprint it and you mentioned that you can print it to A3. That should be fine as long as it fits 1:1 scale on this page size.

I'm sorry to trouble you again but I need some other prints as well as some adjustments to the model if possible.

Print outs are as follows.

As mentioned above, the brown dome you just printed but with the Grids Turned off.
The Grey dome to be printed the same as the brown dome.
The entrance of the dome (front view) in the same manner that the domes in (1) and (2) have been printed. Difference here is there is only one view unlike the domes which have 3 views.
Lastly, this next request refers to the section cut. Is it possible to print out on separate pages, each dome separately on a 1:1 scale. I have attached an image of what I mean.

Below is the Brown Dome Only
Brown Dome Only Section Cut.jpg

Below is the gray Dome only.
Gray Dome Only Section Cut.jpg

With regards to the adjustments, if its too complicated and may affect the dimensions by large amounts, then we can skip it and I will work around it.

I have attached an image of what adjustments I would like to make.
Section Cut Adjustment.jpg

Thanks
Regards
D0me

Gaieus

No, sorry, I really meant A0 no A3. That's a typo. So this smallest dome can fit on an A1 but the rest won't. So the question is - shall I print this one on an A1 and the others on A0'a or should all be the same (A0) instead?