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    • pbacotP 離線
      pbacot
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      @ccaponigro said:

      Thought I would jump in here. I'm pretty new to sketchup but have 30 years of acad disappointment under my belt. Right now I use Architectural Desktop for plans and schedules and creating a model from them for all my elevations and layout to present them. I wanted them to look like b/w CD's so I saved the model and changed all the textures to have no color.

      Really nice work! Thanks for posting and the information.
      A trick I have used in LO to hide the terrain and create a ground line: trace along the ground line in LO, making a polygon- complete the polygon, below, to mask the terrain with fill, make a duplicate and trim this to use as a thick ground line (without fill)

      MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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      • ccaponigroC 離線
        ccaponigro
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        @pbacot said:

        @ccaponigro said:

        Thought I would jump in here. I'm pretty new to sketchup but have 30 years of acad disappointment under my belt. Right now I use Architectural Desktop for plans and schedules and creating a model from them for all my elevations and layout to present them. I wanted them to look like b/w CD's so I saved the model and changed all the textures to have no color.

        Really nice work! Thanks for posting and the information.
        A trick I have used in LO to hide the terrain and create a ground line: trace along the ground line in LO, making a polygon- complete the polygon, below, to mask the terrain with fill, make a duplicate and trim this to use as a thick ground line (without fill)

        Thanks! I like that idea and it sure wouldn't hurt to get that terrain turned off.

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        • pbacotP 離線
          pbacot
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          Yes, actually don't need the terrain layer to be on, but you may want something to draw the ground line to, at least at first.

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            njh
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            Hi folks

            The plan shown by Sonder looks fantastic! I've tried to attach the one I'm talking about.

            I'm just picking up Sketchup and Layout again after a lengthy absence and I'm hoping to adopt it as my full time design package rather than Vectorworks so I have a query about the electrical layout, fans etc on the drawing- are they part of the sketchup model or drawn "on top" of the view in layout?

            Apologies if this is explained in the thread somewhere and I've not noticed it.

            Neil

            Screen grab.pdf

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            • A 離線
              ArCAD-UK
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              I take the line SU is for the 3D modelling bit and LO is for the 2D graphics and notes. Have you looked at the scrapbook facility? That is where you would start to save time if you have an office standard.

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              • pbacotP 離線
                pbacot
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                @njh said:

                Hi folks

                The plan shown by Sonder looks fantastic! I've tried to attach the one I'm talking about.

                I'm just picking up Sketchup and Layout again after a lengthy absence and I'm hoping to adopt it as my full time design package rather than Vectorworks so I have a query about the electrical layout, fans etc on the drawing- are they part of the sketchup model or drawn "on top" of the view in layout?

                Apologies if this is explained in the thread somewhere and I've not noticed it.

                Neil

                [attachment=0:358rspb4]<!-- ia0 -->Screen grab.pdf<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:358rspb4]

                Curious to know why switch from VectorWorks (VW OR SU might be my options if my CAD expired--development ended).

                The electrical layout by Sonder is done in LO. http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15911&start=255#p392706

                MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                • N 離線
                  njh
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                  Thanks for the link to the part if the post which explained about the lighting layout!

                  Curious to know why switch from VectorWorks (VW OR SU might be my options if my CAD expired--development ended).

                  Quick answer is I hope it will be possible to increase speed and accuracy. At the moment I draw everything in 2D in Vectorworks (I'm running architect 2013) so I draw the plans, sections, elevations etc individually. This takes time and leaves me open to errors when updating a plan and not the corresponding section / elevation (or vice-versa). Vectorworks is great but I feel like I could work a bit smarter.

                  I know that I can model in full 3D in Vectorworks but the learning curve seems pretty steep and I understand from a couple of people who use Vectorworks and Sketchup that they find Sketchup and Layout the fastest way to draw. I'm pretty competent with Sketchup - if perhaps a bit rusty - and I'm beginning to feel my way around Layout.

                  I'm a sole practitioner and work mainly on domestic alterations and extensions (few new-builds here and there too) but I'm beginning to get involved in larger schemes (complete internal and external re-fit of a largely square 2000m2 office block) so I'm thinking Sketchup and Layout COULD offer me some speed and accuracy improvements for the type of work I do.

                  I VERY rarely need to share drawings with consultants etc so it seems worth a try?

                  Neil

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                  • daleD 離線
                    dale
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                    njh
                    I have been using Vectorworks since its very first MiniCad version, but stopped upgrading a VW 12.5 because it is so much easier to draw in SketchUp.
                    Unlike you though, I was doing full 3D in VW, and although I don't remember the learning curve, it was probably because I started so early with the software (or I'm old and my mind is failing)
                    Like you though, I am ready to make the jump to Layout, since I already do all my preliminary work in SketchUp, it seems a logical step. I currently still export dxf's back to Vectorworks for the final working drawings compiling.
                    There are a lot of things that I see as failings with Layout, but I was at baseCamp, and I can assure you that The folks at SketchUp are really listening when it comes to Layout.
                    It seems at the moment though you have to learn the workarounds, (many discussed in this thread), and accept the shortcomings, to get the job done.
                    There were a lot of folks at the Layout session, who seemed to want Layout to be nothing more than another Cad program. I think this would be a mistake, as Layout offers so much more in terms of presentation potential.
                    In my discussions, and my question at the session, was essentially asking if it would be possible for the Layout API to be offered to developers, much like the SketchUp API which has spawned so much Ruby brilliance.
                    In my opinion, this would allow the SketchUp Layout folks to concentrate on the larger picture, while I am sure that we would see ruby developers taking care of the requests for line weights, and arrow types and other details.
                    I really can't say if this is being seriously considered or not, but I am hopeful.

                    Just monkeying around....like Monsanto

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                      njh
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                      Hi Dale

                      Thanks for the comments and hopeful speculation about the future of the product. I'm hoping too that Trimble will pick up the ball and run with it to make it an even more useful combined drawing and presentation package.

                      Like you, I started off with MiniCAD but went to AutoCAD (job change forced it) before returning to Vectorworks at 2010 but in 2D only. Beginning to learn 3D in VW2013 seems a bridge too far...

                      Neil

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                      • A 離線
                        ArCAD-UK
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                        Hi Neil I've got an Archicad licence. Great piece of software if you do repeat style projects and don't want to do anything that isn't in the box. I'm migrating to SU as I think it is much more focussed as a design tool. Ok it needs development of the many well discussed shortfalls but fingers crossed we should see some great progress soon.

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                          rtbuild47
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                          I use LO all the time for Building Regulation and construction drawings and my only
                          gripe is that to define materials have to use colors or shades, when hatching would be so much more professional.

                          artybuild

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                            arcsurvey
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                            This is my first attempt at a construction drawing for a simple UK lean to extension. I am quite pleased with it but it took a long time to achieve though with practice maybe I can get the time cut down. I find that I get bogged down with the outliner and it takes time to manage my groups. I need to make more use of layers maybe.

                            I tried to create a hatch pattern rather than using colours to identify the brick and blockwork but it crashed each time I applied it. Not sure why that was.

                            I cannot decide whether to just model the exteriors in SKP to give the 3D and go back to CAD for the 2D plans or whether to stick with it and try to increase productivity.


                            First attempt at a section using skp and layout only

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                            • porch_unpluggedP 離線
                              porch_unplugged
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                              @arcsurvey said:

                              This is my first attempt at a construction drawing for a simple UK lean to extension. I am quite pleased with it but it took a long time to achieve though with practice maybe I can get the time cut down. I find that I get bogged down with the outliner and it takes time to manage my groups. I need to make more use of layers maybe.

                              I tried to create a hatch pattern rather than using colours to identify the brick and blockwork but it crashed each time I applied it. Not sure why that was.

                              I cannot decide whether to just model the exteriors in SKP to give the 3D and go back to CAD for the 2D plans or whether to stick with it and try to increase productivity.

                              I'm finding that you do cut the time taken down a lot as you progress. You'll find quicker ways of doing things.

                              I'd try and stick with the sketchup for the plans as well. I find that clients really respond to the textures etc. of a sketchup drawing, rather than the cold crap look of CAD.

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                              • Mike LuceyM 離線
                                Mike Lucey
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                                @arcsurvey said:

                                This is my first attempt at a construction drawing for a simple UK lean to extension. I am quite pleased with it but it took a long time to achieve though with practice maybe I can get the time cut down. I find that I get bogged down with the outliner and it takes time to manage my groups. I need to make more use of layers maybe.

                                I tried to create a hatch pattern rather than using colours to identify the brick and blockwork but it crashed each time I applied it. Not sure why that was.

                                I cannot decide whether to just model the exteriors in SKP to give the 3D and go back to CAD for the 2D plans or whether to stick with it and try to increase productivity.

                                Richard, you might check out Rich's YourTube tut, here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rZ9-o0vTAs&hd=1

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                                  arcsurvey
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                                  Thank you both for your reply and the hatch plugin looks useful.

                                  I have been creating a section cut slice from the competed model and then adding the detail such as cavity walls, tiles, etc. Is this generally considered the best way to do it?

                                  I have found that creating 2D symbols from CAD blocks works well for doing the floor plan in 2D from the 3D section cut without adding a lot of weight to the model.

                                  I have started my next project and it is going quicker already - I guess it will keep improving.

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                                  • Mike LuceyM 離線
                                    Mike Lucey
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                                    Keep us posted on progress.

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                                      sonder
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                                      @rtbuild47 said:

                                      I use LO all the time for Building Regulation and construction drawings and my only
                                      gripe is that to define materials have to use colors or shades, when hatching would be so much more professional.

                                      artybuild

                                      Hmm, I think the opposite. Hatching was developed to identify and define perameters of materials or scope, while SU and layout do this in a method to me that is more clear and direct. I would rather see CMU that looks like CMU rather than a cross hatch pattern that is referenced in a schedule telling you it is CMU.

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                                      • bmikeB 離線
                                        bmike
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                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        @rtbuild47 said:

                                        I use LO all the time for Building Regulation and construction drawings and my only
                                        gripe is that to define materials have to use colors or shades, when hatching would be so much more professional.

                                        artybuild

                                        Hmm, I think the opposite. Hatching was developed to identify and define perameters of materials or scope, while SU and layout do this in a method to me that is more clear and direct. I would rather see CMU that looks like CMU rather than a cross hatch pattern that is referenced in a schedule telling you it is CMU.

                                        I also suspect that hatching was a product of the times - plotters and printers that handled lines, and PCs that did the same.

                                        mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                          sonder
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                                          @bmike said:

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          @rtbuild47 said:

                                          I use LO all the time for Building Regulation and construction drawings and my only
                                          gripe is that to define materials have to use colors or shades, when hatching would be so much more professional.

                                          artybuild

                                          Hmm, I think the opposite. Hatching was developed to identify and define perameters of materials or scope, while SU and layout do this in a method to me that is more clear and direct. I would rather see CMU that looks like CMU rather than a cross hatch pattern that is referenced in a schedule telling you it is CMU.

                                          I also suspect that hatching was a product of the times - plotters and printers that handled lines, and PCs that did the same.

                                          Actually those plotters and printers were the hand and pencil days. Ouch I'm getting old. I graduated architectural school in 1987, so hand drawing was still the main course, with ACAD just really starting to move in the industry.

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                                          • bmikeB 離線
                                            bmike
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                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            @bmike said:

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            @rtbuild47 said:

                                            I use LO all the time for Building Regulation and construction drawings and my only
                                            gripe is that to define materials have to use colors or shades, when hatching would be so much more professional.

                                            artybuild

                                            Hmm, I think the opposite. Hatching was developed to identify and define perameters of materials or scope, while SU and layout do this in a method to me that is more clear and direct. I would rather see CMU that looks like CMU rather than a cross hatch pattern that is referenced in a schedule telling you it is CMU.

                                            I also suspect that hatching was a product of the times - plotters and printers that handled lines, and PCs that did the same.

                                            Actually those plotters and printers were the hand and pencil days. Ouch I'm getting old. I graduated architectural school in 1987, so hand drawing was still the main course, with ACAD just really starting to move in the industry.

                                            for sure. i was on the transition period when i dropped out. school was leaning towards a paperless studio for the 3rd year grads, but the first 2 years did a mix of traditional modeling, drawing, 3d, and bullshitting, i mean, critiquing. my prof in school was aghast that i wanted to learn autocad. guess he didn't have to work to put himself through school...

                                            prior to grad school i came from an art school with a renaissance style traditional foundation program - so lots of life drawing - both human figure (i was marginal at it) and from observation - still life, landscape, architecture, etc.
                                            lots of emphasis in design and painting coursework on sketching. i still have alot of my sketchbooks. flip through them every now and again...

                                            mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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