[Obsolete] Joint Push Pull

boofredlay

This is very generous, thank you.

fredo6

Fantastic, enjoyed playing with it. Now I need to find a place to use it.

Thanks, Bob

PS Confirming bellwells image earlier, if you use Joint push-pull on non-contiguous faces of an polygon block then the side of the extrusions have a mix of angles, some are rectilinear (as from the Vector extrusion) some are aligned to the center of the block.

GreyHead

Thanks for appreciation.
Regarding the non contiguous faces, what you get is normal, because it depends on what you want to achieve. If you wish the borders to be perfectly normal, you must select NO in the option "Extent influence to non-selected neighbors", as explained in the Tutorial, in section 1.7, p.12. Otherwise, the macro compute the direction as if you would also extrude the neighbouring face. Unless I missed something....

Fredo

urgen

Very good script , but in SU5 unfortunately does not work ...

fredo6

@urgen said:

Very good script , but in SU5 unfortunately does not work ...

Can you try this version. It may be slower however!

Supposed to work in Sketchup 5 too

GreyHead

Fredo, I do think that there is something here that is not consistent with "as if you would also extrude the neighbouring face." See this diagram (plan view of an extruded dodecagon). Notice that the two end extrusions of the five contiguous faces are different. (I did these both on the same dodecagon for simplicity but I get the same result if I do them on separate objects so I don't think there is interference between them.)

Scratching my head here but I don't see an obvious pattern.

Bob

Contiguous and non-contiguous face extrusions

ton baeten

Fredo,

I can just add to the rest: you have created a very nice and very usefull ruby. Thank you very much for sharing this with us. I am not an architect but a productdesigner and do a lot with double-curved shapes and surfaces in SU (6-pro), on a mac.
Today, after carefully reading your tutorial (which also is a nice piece of work), I have taken quite some time to play with your ruby and I have tested it with all kind of shapes and surfaces.
First: I am more impressed than I thought I would be. As long as you start with a clean surface, your ruby works without any problem at all. I really went to limits and over. Going over fysical limits creates impossible and unexpected shapes, but your ruby never stopped working.
Second: I can reassure you, your ruby performes without any hesitation on (my) mac.
Third: In your tutorial you mention your ruby might still be a bit slow. To my opinion, your ruby performs oke. Yes, if you start with curves, arcs, ellipses divided in 360 or more segments and create surfaces with 100,000's of edges,faces, instances your ruby needs time. But not more than others. As we all as pro-users know, such's details aren't necessary to create nice shapes in SU.
Fouth: as all tools, also your ruby has its own limits. But, in the 3D-world it is impossible to create a tool that thinks for us. Your ruby is a very usefull tool, makes quite some SU actions easier and much faster to perform. Together with existing SU functionalities (standard and rubies) it enhances the possibilities of my preferred piece of 3D software: SketchUp

By the way:
The number of powerfull and usefull ruby's is increasing rapidly and we have seen some promesing developments almost ready to become available to all of us. If they would all be packed together in nice way, we would already have a nice and powerfull new SU 7 pro. Looking at my SU screen, compaired to beginning 2007, I look at something quite different (and I feel happy about it).
Thanks to you all !!
I start thinking we are making life difficult for all those folks in Boulder, working on a really new SU 7.
What can we expect from them that will really surprice us. Of course, there are still more than enough wishes and expectations, but I am getting more and more curious.

Again, Fredo, also you have contributed to my new SU screen.
Many thanks to you and all other great ruby-artist to make this possible.

CadFather

not sure what's happening but on my pc JPP seems to have clashed with beziers, either some icons disappear altogether, or the curves cannot be drawn. - i have noticed this before a couple of times while working on the rubymenus thus think the weakness might have more to do with beziers than jpp

EDIT: or it may be me of course!

bellwells

Fredo6,

Your new script works in SU5 Thank you, thank you!!!

A couple of minor spelling comments (I have already made these changes in my system.):

Shouldn't "Extent influence to non-selected neighbors" read "Extend....?
"Custom Plan..." should read "Custom Plane..."

Edit: I hope you don't mind that I made the above changes to your script on my system.

urgen

...Unfortunately I have former problems...

jointpushpull .jpg

fredo6

@greyhead said:

Fredo, I do think that there is something here that is not consistent with "as if you would also extrude the neighbouring face." See this diagram (plan view of an extruded dodecagon). Notice that the two end extrusions of the five contiguous faces are different. (I did these both on the same dodecagon for simplicity but I get the same result if I do them on separate objects so I don't think there is interference between them.)

Scratching my head here but I don't see an obvious pattern.

Bob

[attachment=2:2u7nlb8r]push-pull.png[/attachment:2u7nlb8r]

This abnormal behavior is actually almost 'normal'.
Because the polygon has 12 segments, the angle between the normals of 2 contiguous edges is exactly 30 degree, which is the default value of the Angle of Influence. So depending on the rounding up, some outside faces do influence, some others do not.

You should change the value of the Angle of influence to either 29 Degree (to have strict perpendicular borders) or to 31 degrees, to have them all radial.

Angle of influence = 29 degree

Angle of Influence = 31 degree

GreyHead

Ahhhhh . . . thank you. Bob

fredo6

@urgen said:

...Unfortunately I have former problems...

Could you turn on the Ruby Console and see what it says (or does not say)

Thanks

urgen

@unknownuser said:

@urgen said:

...Unfortunately I have former problems...

Could you turn on the Ruby Console and see what it says (or does not say)

Thanks

..Ruby console...

rubi console.jpg

bellwells

urgen,

I had the exact same problem until I downloaded Fredo6's SU5 script. Are you sure you've installed the right script?

fredo6

@cadfather said:

not sure what's happening but on my pc JPP seems to have clashed with beziers, either some icons disappear altogether, or the curves cannot be drawn. - i have noticed this before a couple of times while working on the rubymenus thus think the weakness might have more to do with beziers than jpp

EDIT: or it may be me of course!

I am not sure it is an interference with JPP, but there were a few bugs in Bezierspline regarding inference, and in some situation it could create the impossibility to position the starting point at the origin.

I made some fixes, and also incorporate the Portuguese translation (many thanks to Edson). Didier just published the new version of Bezierspline on his site today.

CadFather

Many Thanks Fredo - will check it out

urgen

Hi all! script works in SU5.0.260.and no works in SU5.0.232. I have eliminated this problem (instal SU5.0.260)
thanks all for support., I understand this now...many-many-many thanks to Fredo6 !

Loewenkatze

Fredo6,

a big THANKS to you for that script It really fills a big gap in the SU modeling-tools... this one will definitely be used very often.

notareal

Nice work!

Fletch

beautiful. thank you for your generosity in sharing!