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    • G Offline
      Gene Davis
      last edited by

      I want to model a Japanese roof for which the roof sections are not planes, but "dished," just as pagoda and temple roofs were built 1500 years ago.

      Maybe it is possible in Sketchup, maybe not. I want to see, thus my post here.

      Attached is a pic of a shape called a prolate spheriod ("PS"), which I believe is attained by rotating an ellipse around either of its principal axes. The roof shape I want could possibly be gotten by taking sections of this surface, orienting them, creating vertical planes at the plan-view extents of the roof, and using INTERSECT WITH MODEL to yield shapes and lines for hips, ridge, and eaves.

      How would you build the PS, and would the surfaces all be capable of doing the INTERSECT things needed?

      ProlateSpheroid.png

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      • Jean LemireJ Offline
        Jean Lemire
        last edited by

        Hi Gene, hi folks.

        Rotating an ellipse around a circular path will yield an ellipsoid. I think.

        See this SU file for ideas.


        Ellipsoid.skp

        Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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        • Jean LemireJ Offline
          Jean Lemire
          last edited by

          Hi Gene, hi folks.

          You can also scale a sphere vertically.

          Just ideas.

          Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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          • Jean LemireJ Offline
            Jean Lemire
            last edited by

            Hi Gene, hi folks.

            See attached SU file for ideas.


            Pagoda roof.skp

            Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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            • TIGT Offline
              TIG Moderator
              last edited by

              Hope you don't mind Jean, but I added a couple of steps at the end to make the roof 'hipped'...


              Pagoda_roof[1].skp

              TIG

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              • Jean LemireJ Offline
                Jean Lemire
                last edited by

                HI TIG.

                No problem. Good idea.

                I only focused on the tough part, the curved one.

                Of course, I did a simple face quick model just to give ideas but it is easy to add real thickness and framing to get a more convincing roof.

                Ross Macintosh is probably one with the most experience with this kind of roof. Many will remember the numerous posts on that subject in the old SU forum.

                Just ideas.

                Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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                • G Offline
                  Gene Davis
                  last edited by

                  Thanks, but there is one little issue not being addressed. The eaves of the roof (the low four edges) are straight lines in plan (top) view, but are curved with upturned ends when viewed in L, R, Front, or Back views.

                  The curvature can be seen in this .jpg screencap of a Sketchup model, done of a 1500 year old temple in Japan.

                  This one happens to be hexagonal in plan, while my goal is to have one that is rectangular, with a ridge. The ridge will also have curvature, concave up.

                  Horyu-ji Temple east academy Yumedono.jpg

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                  • jeff hammondJ Offline
                    jeff hammond
                    last edited by

                    attached is a 12 scene step by step on drawing this..*

                    *disclaimer - this is simply the way i drew it.. there might be better or faster methods.. use at your own risk.. also, the explanations might not be as clear as possible.. let me know if there's any confusion..


                    pagoda_tut.skp

                    dotdotdot

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                    • soloS Offline
                      solo
                      last edited by

                      If y'all do not mind I have a quick way of doing this.


                      roof tut.skp

                      http://www.solos-art.com

                      If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                      • jeff hammondJ Offline
                        jeff hammond
                        last edited by

                        i can't quite tell from that picture but i think the entire surface may be dished? if so, maybe something like this?

                        [edit - okay, if i read the top post more clearly, i'd see that you did say they were dished 🙂 ]


                        pagoda.skp


                        pagoda.jpg

                        dotdotdot

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                        • jeff hammondJ Offline
                          jeff hammond
                          last edited by

                          yeah solo, that one looks quick..

                          i haven't studied 1500 year old japanese roofs so i'm not quite sure of the traditional shape.. solo's method leaves the flared ends flat while the method i used has them as curves.. use whichever you need..

                          i video captured a different version being drawn.. this one has the middle as flat with only the corners being flared up.. pointy up top too..

                          it's really a video to highlight TIG's new and improved invertselection.rb which can be found near the end of this thread... time_saver! check it in action at 1:45 into the video..


                          pagoda_tut.mov.zip


                          pagoda_variation.skp

                          dotdotdot

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                          • G Offline
                            Gene Davis
                            last edited by

                            I got this from Joe Wood at another forum, and Joe is unavailable right now to describe how it was constructed.

                            Can anyone figure it out and produce a little tut?


                            Azumaya-Roof.skp

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                            • Joe WoodJ Offline
                              Joe Wood
                              last edited by

                              Gene, I just posted a link to the beginning of a tut over at JLC. This will be for a draped hip roof though and not for a dutch hip.

                              Here it is on yousendit.com
                              http://tinyurl.com/22gnqm

                              Joe Wood
                              woodsshop.com/

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