"We've Stopped Updating Sketchup Make"
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@pbacot said:
Box. I didn't know older versions are archived somewhere to download. Just wonder how you find that. So someone could get Make anytime?
If Trimble allowed "make" to be downloaded any time into the future, that would go against Trimbles trajectory of making everyone pay for Sketchup, apart from the almost useless free online version. I would be glad to be wrong about this.......but I don't think I am
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I can find links to 2014 Make, 2015 Make 2016 Make and 2017 Make easily downloadable from official links in the Sketchup forum. I could probably find 2013 and the last version of 8 if I could be bothered looking. All it takes is using the search function.
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Hi Box, I just tried to download Sketchup make to test. Seems to me it is no longer downloadable at least to install anyway. -
All that screenshot is telling me is that you are trying to install make on a pc that already has make installed so it is asking do you want to repair it.
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My mistake, a Duh! moment. I was trying to get a version other than 20217 Make whigh I have installed.
Not having a lot of luck though, so far anywayIt just makes no sense to me that trimble would allow people the option of downloading an older version of Make
If anyone is able to download an instal an older version of Make please let me know
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Which one do you want and in what language?
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2016, English? I know I might be seen as being argumentative here but like I said I can not get my head around the bussiness model of sketchup make still being available for download.
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OK, Box I stand corrected, completely
I installed 2016 and it works. An unexpected consequence is I had an issue with none of my Sketchup files showing the SU icon or previews. That function is now restored -
This is why I get so annoyed by people posting misinformation and opinion as fact.
I may or may not agree with what Trimble have done with sketchup, but I don't comment either way in public and I attempt to correct people when they are wrong.
Too many people use the trump method of shouting louder rather than using facts.
The world would be a better place if people checked facts rather than rely on what is 'trending'. -
Try this, I assume you want Win 64.
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Fair enough.
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There are only two reasons I can think of for installing Make 2015 rather than the final Make 2017. Either you dislike using the tray system and want to use the old floating dialog system, but that is only on windows.
Or your Mac graphic card/OS isn't up to the job.
If your grandkids have never used it it would make sense to give them Make 2017 as it is the closest step to Pro (that you may get them in future). Assuming you want them to use a desktop version.
The web version, on the other hand, should continue to evolve as it gets more and more functionality. They may find working with that more suited to their web based brains.You don't explain what issues you had with using 2017, perhaps we can help get that working for you.
The reference to the wrong tools isn't something I'm automatically remembering being talked about, but it does sound like a graphic card issue.
Could you give us some specs on the laptops.I'd also recommend you start another thread with your issues rather than burying them in here.
Leave the 'Post script' here and start a thread detailing the specs of your new laptops and what issues you may be having with them and installation of various versions and perhaps people are likely to see and help. -
I really appreciate the mostly civil discussion on this forum.
Once upon a time I was president of a media/software company. I understand the importance of making money and having a good product to do that with. That said, Trimble needs someone on their staff that understands that it's not just marketing. There is some sensitivity missing there. SU has an established history of substantial introductory involvement that allows the greatest possible spectrum of uses. Trimble risks losing that with a poorly designed transition to product purchase. I've seen what kids can do with SU and how it frees their creative thinking. I don't get a sense that there is anyone at Trimble that really understands that. The tacky notices and confusing explanations, marketing hype and instructions look like an amateur approach to a legitimate need to improve the bottom line. Somewhere in all of the brilliant minds we have must be is a solution to "#%^&(*&^#!" people who make money with make level and never buy pro.
I got to a point where I could no longer afford the latest version of Photoshop. (I skipped a couple of upgrades cause I was so focused on work.) I have it now because of monthly rental. Maybe there could be a way to subsidize people under age to enjoy SU and have a stricter control on a commercial version. I'm not trying to start an argument, I just remember the cold feeling when I saw the SU splash screen...No More Upgrade... and then was offended by trying to use
"Free". That program is an insult to the intelligence of your market and with the prevailing lack of delayed gratification who wants to wait until it's "better". Oh Oh... I'm starting to feel a soap box growing under my feet, it's time to stop.[for those in another culture unfamiliar with that saying: People who gave loud sometimes radical speeches in city parks brought soap boxes to stand on so they could be heard and seen above any crowd they may attract.]
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Thank you for you suggestions and advice. I will start another thread soon with better information. Everything you said is helpful. So...in a few days, I will be able to follow up. Thanks again.
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@box said:
There are only two reasons I can think of for installing Make 2015 rather than the final Make 2017.
the third reason under Windows is the ability to disable the OpenGL hardware acceleration of the GPU ("Window > Preferences > OpenGL") for enabling to run with sub-par graphics systems (e.g. integrated intel HD series) and driver versions with an incompatible OpenGL support latest with SU version 2016.
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Box...I've looked through the forums and am not sure which one would be the most appropriate one to post my questions. As I mentioned in the above post but edited it out I've been saving to get my young relatives into SketchUp by giving them laptops. (13" Apple MacBook Pro, 2.5GHz Core i5, 4GB RAM, 500GB HD - 2012 with Mohave OS.) What would have been simple a year ago about giving them SU is not so anymore, mostly because of the controversy over the changes in the versions. Small note: I've never really noticed any problem with my graphics cards. I'm sure there is a forum around here that I could sort that out on.
And, Sketch3d.de, thank you for additional information. I should have noted that I'm doing Mac and should always include that.
One last thing...I apologize for the strident tone of my post above. It's my problem that I was not prepared for the inevitable. The timing with the grand kids is not Trimble's fault. I just want them to be very thorough in understanding their market.
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Hellnbak Allow me to explain what it means for you.
"Explore the latest and greatest way to SketchUp."
Someone is under the outdated impression that "the latest and greatest" has actually proven to be that. They are unaware of the multitude of people who DON'T jump on that because it is either not fully tested and full of bugs, or it's simply not true and a disappointment.
"A Pro subscription" Oh really? How obvious.
"Model on your desktop and on the web"
Well, we've been on our desktops for a long time without the web so the obvious assumption is that there is something great about "modeling on the web". Did they actually ask anyone, or maybe everyone, who really likes working "on the web"? They are believing their own hype about the wonderful world of the web, and the cloud etc. They haven't noticed that there are a few things about the web that are "unreliable". I do my photo restoration in PhotoShop and deliver directly to my clients by email or CD-ROM. Few of them even know what the cloud is. I'm sure outside of a few cutting edge high tech young designers and the like, that the only people using augmented virtual reality are NOT in business.
I'm glad they stopped at "and more".
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I'm sorry, I forgot one thing.
"SketchUp Make isn't getting any younger. We've stopped updating SketchUp Make"
That looks like an attempt to soften the announcement about stopping with a non sequitur. Did anyone think it was getting younger? How is that a reason to stop updating it. Uh...er...why not update it so it can get older. Surly there is another explanation that would not be so clumsy. Perhaps an explanation that respects the intelligence of their users and their market. Actually it wouldn't be such a big deal on it's own as an announcement except that it's IN YOUR FACE, when you open the program. Timbler, rethink your marketing transition style and substance. -
The subscription thing is nothing new, take a look at tv for a start. Watching tv for many of is is a subscription deal. Software has been going that way for a long time, no matter what the companies say the cost of software is going up but they want to distract us from this by taking less in one go. Does this help? No idea but it may. As for everything being done in the cloud, well I am too suspicious and would not trust the cloud with a thing, too prone to attack for a start. I am an old fart though so perhaps am not a good example of the general public.
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@roidsan said:
"SketchUp Make isn't getting any younger. We've stopped updating SketchUp Make"
I think this should read "You're running a 2015 version of SketchUp and we want to move you over to something that you will have to pay for."
Its a valid remark if you're making money using Make. For hobbyists, who are happy with the 2015 technology, its pestering.
So apparently old Make(s) got an update to display this new splash screen without you knowing it?
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