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    • medeekM Offline
      medeek
      last edited by

      Version 1.0.6 - 12.03.2016

      • Added a "Layers" tab within the global settings.
      • Enabled custom layers for both stemwall and slab on grade foundations.

      http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/foundation_su16_800.jpg

      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
      Medeek Engineering Inc
      design.medeek.com

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      • jujuJ Offline
        juju
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        When will this plugin receive some love? Regular floor slabs not yet activated?

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        • JQLJ Offline
          JQL
          last edited by

          This is yet another cool plugin. Will it evolve to a slab plugin?

          I just start wishing more engineers would use sketchup...

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          • medeekM Offline
            medeek
            last edited by

            Floor slabs shouldn't be too hard to add, just a rectangle with some reinforcement (mesh or bar). I would also like to have the ability to have polygon shapes so the user can input in any shape. Another item to consider is integrated interior footings.

            Let me know if you have any additional features you would like to see with floor slabs.

            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
            Medeek Engineering Inc
            design.medeek.com

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            • N Offline
              nujak66
              last edited by

              Looking good Nathaniel! I'm just waiting for polygon shapes for the foundations in your plugin. 😄

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              • medeekM Offline
                medeek
                last edited by

                I've been working on the polygon slab-on-grade this weekend and by extension the polygon stemwall foundation as well. The interactive "tool" portion has been difficult mostly because I don't understand a lot of that portion of the code (blackbox to me), but I'm almost there with it.

                I would like to be able to create a foundation with any shape or size simply by drawing a polygon, point by point.

                A simple example would be something like this:

                http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/foundation_su17_800.jpg

                Note, the interior floor beams at 12' on center. Using an Web dialog I should be able to allow the user to easily add in as many floor beams or bearing walls as required.

                Once I have the foundation working correctly then I need to extend the floor truss/ floor joist module so that it can also handle polygon shaped structures within the Truss Plugin, then we will have a full package.

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                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                Medeek Engineering Inc
                design.medeek.com

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                • medeekM Offline
                  medeek
                  last edited by

                  Has anyone ever seen a stemwall framed liked this?

                  https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/sketchup/uploads/default/optimized/3X/c/5/c507ba2896ec8f7123f126721ffc27db814f2e63_1_519x500.jpg

                  Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                  Medeek Engineering Inc
                  design.medeek.com

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                  • facerF Offline
                    facer
                    last edited by

                    Medeek,
                    I have placed your stem wall question in ChiefTalk which is
                    frequented by several active builders - designers in North America

                    ChiefTalk reference:
                    https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/topic/13289-stem-wall-detail-question-of-construction/

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                    • medeekM Offline
                      medeek
                      last edited by

                      Another technique I've had a recent request on is to create slots in the stemwall that the joists sit down inside. This method dropping the joists down, even with the sill plate, seem to be fairly common in Oregon.

                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                      design.medeek.com

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                      • medeekM Offline
                        medeek
                        last edited by

                        Or like this?

                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/foundation_su18_800.jpg

                        These two methods seem to be fairly popular in Oregon, I've never seen a floor/stemwall constructed this way any where else.

                        http://design.medeek.com/resources/images/foundation_su19_800.jpg

                        Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                        Medeek Engineering Inc
                        design.medeek.com

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                        • pbacotP Offline
                          pbacot
                          last edited by

                          Looks like a lot of extra work. Why not just drop a single ledge for the joists? We do that sometimes in California. Put a pressure treated plate on a lower ledge. Also each joist needs some sort of anchoring to (but also separation from) concrete. There would be blocking, unless they use the concrete somehow.

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                          • pbacotP Offline
                            pbacot
                            last edited by

                            @medeek said:

                            Has anyone ever seen a stemwall framed liked this?

                            https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/sketchup/uploads/default/optimized/3X/c/5/c507ba2896ec8f7123f126721ffc27db814f2e63_1_519x500.jpg

                            No. Again, isn't blocking required at the ends of joists? I always see that.

                            We just pour a wider stemwall which narrows to 6" wide by the joists. If you are going to anchor 2x's at each joist, why not just anchor a continuous ledger to hang to? Again the framing looks overly complicated, but they must have a reason they are doing it that way.

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                            • medeekM Offline
                              medeek
                              last edited by

                              Any thoughts on an advanced option that auto-inserts anchor bolts?

                              https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/warehouse/getpubliccontent?contentId=23b772c0-6d89-43a2-8fd7-b630eb323bf5

                              Options would be:

                              Size: 10", 12", 14"
                              Dia.: 1/2", 5/8"
                              Washer: 3"x3" Square, 2"x2" Square, Round
                              O/C Spacing (ft.): 6'
                              Sill Plate Thickness (in.): 1.5"
                              Distance from Corners (in.): 12"

                              Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                              Medeek Engineering Inc
                              design.medeek.com

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                              • medeekM Offline
                                medeek
                                last edited by

                                The argument for this construction method is the sheathing height is decreased because the rim board is eliminated. However, in my mind the cons outweigh the pros:

                                1.) There is a thermal bridge through the stemwall at the corner where the floor meets the wall.
                                2.) Stemwall construction would become more complicated and time consuming.
                                3.) Proximity of the I-Joist to the concrete could be problematic, requiring additional measures and more time and effort.
                                4.) The crawspace height is reduced making it harder for other subs to install and work in and moisture from the ground is more likely to be an issue.
                                5.) Nut and Washer of anchor bolts protrudes into floor sheathing and bottom wall plate, requiring additional notching.
                                6.) If you want to run plumbing or electrical down through the wall bottom plate and into the floor, this is nearly impossible with this configuration.

                                Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                Medeek Engineering Inc
                                design.medeek.com

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                                • pbacotP Offline
                                  pbacot
                                  last edited by

                                  Those are all good points. We use a similar method but use a single ledge. It's useful if you want the exterior concrete to come up higher due to clearance at grade or terraces alongside the wall. Sometimes there might be additional concrete wall as a sort of curb higher than the floor. You still have to make the min. crawl space clearance. Yes more hassles for plumbing and electrical. Nice option on adding anchor bolts.

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                                  • medeekM Offline
                                    medeek
                                    last edited by

                                    I'm trying to determine if its easier to write a module that draws the anchor bolts or just bring in the component (pre-drawn). I've never brought in a component before so something I need to explore further. The other thing I feel is key is to make sure any of these minor components are modeled in such as way as to remain fairly lightweight within the model. No one is going to want to use a feature that bogs down their overall model. That is my one big gripe with using the 3D Warehouse models, the polygon count on most models is usually outrageous.

                                    Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                    Medeek Engineering Inc
                                    design.medeek.com

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                                    • medeekM Offline
                                      medeek
                                      last edited by

                                      I need some input from the foundation and truss plugin users. I've decided to pre-model certain things like Bolts, Nuts, Washers etc... With Nuts and Bolts I'm planning on using a cosmetic thread so that the polygon count is minimal. As I've been experimenting with the bolts and nuts I'm wondering if I should eliminate the 30 deg. bevel on the head of the bolt and nut, it looks nice but adds quite a bit of complexity and polygons to the model. Any thoughts on this?

                                      You would sacrifice some realism for a smaller model...

                                      Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                      Medeek Engineering Inc
                                      design.medeek.com

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                                      • facerF Offline
                                        facer
                                        last edited by

                                        The question arises as to what will be THE INTENDED PLUGIN USE by the majority of users?

                                        Foundation detail requiring a Realistic look for "bolts" in construction details is not high on my list.
                                        The hierarchy of detail will depend on the "scale of detail".

                                        I would suggest users be given the following options that allow a selection:

                                        1. No bolts to be shown
                                        2. Simple bolts without bevel
                                        3. Detailed bolts showing bevel.

                                        Hope this helps?

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                                        • jujuJ Offline
                                          juju
                                          last edited by

                                          Simple bolts. More detailed will only be required in detailing, which generally are separate (highly detailed) models.

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                                          • medeekM Offline
                                            medeek
                                            last edited by

                                            For now I will eliminate the beveling of bolt heads and nuts, the added number of polygons is too hard to justify and the bevel doesn't really add much when your zoomed out at building scale anyways (in other words you really can't see the bevel).

                                            There is always an option to turn the anchor bolts on or off, that is a given. Some users may want this function others may have absolutely no use for it. It will be there if you need and want it.
                                            For now I am going to go with 1/2" and 5/8" anchor bolts, I can always add more sizes later by request. The standard sizes of anchor bolts are per a specification I pulled from Fastenal (major manufacturer of fasteners in the US). I will start with 10", 12" and 14" lengths.

                                            For the square washers I will give an option between 2"x2" and 3"x3", with the 3x3 being the more typical I would think with the latest 2012 and 2015 cycle of ICC codes. The exact dimensions of the square washers are per Simpson Strong-Tie's offering in there wood fastener manual.

                                            The hex nuts are per the Machinery Handbook 27th Edition.

                                            If anyone has a metric spec. for anchor bolts (L-bolts) please send it my way and I can add in the metric equivalents.

                                            Nathaniel P. Wilkerson PE
                                            Medeek Engineering Inc
                                            design.medeek.com

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