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  • M Offline
    mitchellch
    last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 15:38

    I'm struggling to make two concentric spheres. I can't use the offset tool on a sphere...I've tried making a copy, scaling one copy down, then putting the smaller one inside the bigger. Everything works fine with this approach except putting one inside the other. Each time I try, the inner sphere 'attaches' to one of the outer sphere's surfaces instead of remaining centered (concentric) within the outer sphere.

    Is this possible?

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    • D Offline
      Dave R
      last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 16:20

      If you make each sphere a component or group they won't stick together.

      You could also just make one inside the other.

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      • B Offline
        Box
        last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 16:31

        And the simplest way is to make your sphere using an offset circle.

        [screenr:2tkn9jmr]M54H[/screenr:2tkn9jmr]

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        • J Offline
          jeff hammond
          last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 16:37

          @dave r said:

          If you make each sphere a component or group they won't stick together.

          You could also just make one inside the other.

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          just being nitpicky here πŸ˜‰

          but you could make the offset circle a surface and followme it once instead of doing each sphere individually

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          • D Offline
            Dave R
            last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 16:38

            True, you could do that. And you are being nitpicky. πŸ˜„

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            • M Offline
              mitchellch
              last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 20:23

              Thanks for the feedback. However, when I make the spheres inside of one another as suggested, then slice the sphere in half, there is still no inner sphere. Also, if I select the outer sphere and 'Hide' that one, again, no inner sphere.

              I followed the animated demo carefully, creating the flat circle, then a large circle perpendicular to that with another smaller circle inside that. Then I use the Follow Me to using the flat circle as the path. The inner sphere forms first, then the outer, and I think I'm done, but every test I run after that indicates only a single (outer) sphere.

              What am I doing wrong?

              Thanks in advance.

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              • M Offline
                mitchellch
                last edited by 15 Sept 2013, 20:28

                ...and what does that strange "The path you've chosen doesn't begin or end on the extrusion cross section" dialog mean. I see that almost every time I use the Follow Me tool.

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                  Box
                  last edited by 16 Sept 2013, 07:37

                  If you are getting that error message when creating a sphere it usually means you are using the tool slightly incorrectly.
                  If you create the inner sphere first then create the outer sphere, the path follows the face of the inner sphere and therefore removes it.

                  Look at my demo again.
                  First select the "flat" circle using the normal select tool, it's actually the ring of the circle you want but in this case it doesn't matter, then get the follow me tool and click on the face between the two vertical circles. This should create two spheres in one go. If you turn on Xray in the view menu you'll be able to see the sphere inside.

                  The tool uses a Path, in this case the flat circle and a Profile, in this case the doughnut created by offsetting two circles, to make the shapes you want.

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                    Wo3Dan
                    last edited by 16 Sept 2013, 08:31

                    @mitchellch said:

                    ....... The inner sphere forms first, then the outer, and I think I'm done, but every test I run after that indicates only a single (outer) sphere.

                    What am I doing wrong? ......

                    Dave's example shows that the larger circular face is missing prior to extuding the small face into a small sphere. (see shadows!)
                    He then creates (restores) the full large circular face to extrude into a large sphere.
                    If you secondly extrude the ring face in stead of a full circular face, then it "eats away" the smaller sphere, leaving only a large sphere.
                    It's as if the extruded ring creates a large sphere and a negative small sphere right where the first small sphere was before.

                    Extruding the ring face in one operation creates two concentric spheres, as Jeff mentioned.

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                    • pilouP Offline
                      pilou
                      last edited by 16 Sept 2013, 09:55

                      If by hasard you have yet a sphere! πŸ’š
                      You can use the Joint PushPull by Fredo6
                      (Press TAB for have Options : disable "erase original faces"
                      and maybe Enable "Make a group" <-- but this last is not absolutly necessary )
                      See bottom's line for read instructions !
                      (here I have trimmed the 2 spheres for see inside! πŸ˜„
                      2_spheres.jpg

                      Frenchy Pilou
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                      My Little site :)

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                      • mitcorbM Offline
                        mitcorb
                        last edited by 16 Sept 2013, 11:28

                        Another possibility is Thomthom's Shell?

                        I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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                        • J Offline
                          jpalm32
                          last edited by 16 Sept 2013, 23:57

                          @mitcorb said:

                          Another possibility is Thomthom's Shell?

                          πŸ‘ That's what I use.

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                            TasV
                            last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 03:48

                            Sorry to thread-jack... it seems appropriate to add this query here as an extension of the sphere query. I have downloaded both ThomThom's shell tool and the Fredo joint push/pull tool because I want to add an inside shell to an existing shell so I can print it at Shapeways as a hollow shape (with the appropriate exit holes for the powders, etc). These plugins don't seem to be able to do what I want them to. I want to do this to reduce the amount of material needed to print it and also to allow the object to float once printed. The shape is a complex shape. I've just started to learn to 'sculpt' shapes in 3D... I have a lot to learn... I didn't know printing as a pdf as I have done here 'unsmooths' all the lines!

                            scad.png

                            Is there are way to select the shell that I have and create an inner contour that is equidistant from the outer shell at all points along the normals to create a thicker wall and hollow interior?

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                            • pilouP Offline
                              pilou
                              last edited by 23 Sept 2013, 09:22

                              yes Joint Push Pull, but careful to the auto-intersections!

                              Frenchy Pilou
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                              My Little site :)

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                              • Jean LemireJ Offline
                                Jean Lemire
                                last edited by 2 Oct 2013, 17:13

                                Hi folks.

                                See this SU file for ideas


                                Concentric spheres.skp

                                Jean (Johnny) Lemire from Repentigny, Quebec, Canada.

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                                • J Offline
                                  j_jones
                                  last edited by 18 Aug 2022, 22:51

                                  I found a way to do this.

                                  First create a sphere, group it, then make a copy of it and use Paste in Place so they overlap.

                                  Then choose the scale tool and hold down the option key, now you can scale the second sphere so they remain concentric.

                                  You can continue this way to make multiply nested concentric spheres.

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                                  • B Offline
                                    Box
                                    last edited by 19 Aug 2022, 00:26

                                    One of the simplest ways of making multiple spheres is to use the offset tool.


                                    Sphere in sphere.gif

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