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    Supreme Line
    last edited by 21 Sept 2013, 21:24

    Hey All,

    Right I am building this ship okay, and these dots/spots keep showing up and its driving my crazy its on both sides. They show up when I for example create a square or something and at this rate by the time I finish the ship it be covered in dots grrrrrr....

    any help please ?


    proof of dots


    dots 2

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      Rich O Brien Moderator
      last edited by 21 Sept 2013, 21:37

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      Edges Bleeding Through Geometry | SketchUcation

      Sometimes you can see edges bleeding through geometry in SketchUp. In this tutorial, we explore the reasons and try to find solutions or workarounds for the problem.

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        Supreme Line
        last edited by 21 Sept 2013, 21:48

        This is not the problem, the ship is a empty shell nothing inside I thought it was the floor inside but its not so I clearly lost on this. Out of all my ships this is the very first time iv had this bother grrrr 😞

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          Rich O Brien Moderator
          last edited by 21 Sept 2013, 21:52

          Floor touching the outside face?

          Turn on hidden geometry and post a pic

          And put a section there so we can see internals

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            Supreme Line
            last edited by 21 Sept 2013, 22:00

            her ya go


            Here is is, clear as day.


            Her is the inside (no floor) and its even inside.


            the highlight : if I delete it and then draw a square to fill it in once I move away from ship they appear again, its a loosing battle


            hidden geometry on no different

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              Dave R
              last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 01:09

              You didn't post an image with hidden geometry turned on. πŸ˜’ Post one with edges turned on, too.

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                Gaieus
                last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 07:51

                Even better; post the model itself...

                Gai...

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                  Supreme Line
                  last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 11:16

                  Gaieus you mean a picture right ?


                  full model


                  supremic 2.jpg

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                    Box
                    last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 11:29

                    No, he means the model or at least a section of it where the problem exists.
                    You can upload .skp files to your posts.

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                      Dave R
                      last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 11:43

                      I expect the dots you are seeing are cause by the back face color showing through at the seams but that's only a guess. You could try changing the back face color to white although it would probably show through somewhere else. You still haven't posted the requested screen grabs, though. πŸ˜’ The model (SKP) file would be best.

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                        Supreme Line
                        last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 11:54

                        I am not great designer btw

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                          Dave R
                          last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:01

                          As I suspected, it is the back face color showing through at seams. You can change the back face color to white and they won't show ion the white areas but they'll probably show in the areas you've painted black.

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                          I changed the back face color to magenta which makes your "dots" really stand out and confirms the problem. Turn the edges back one and those dots generally won't show because the edges will hide them.

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                            TIG Moderator
                            last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:07

                            As Dave says...
                            What you are seeing is that the 'edges' of some faces are displaying where they are coincident with the visible face of other parts...
                            Much of your model is made as if it were constructed from a 'thin card' - with the the parts having no real thickness, and therefore edges and faces can be coincident.
                            This means that if say a deck has a bulkhead below it, then that bulkhead's top edge can show through when the edge/faces are different colors.
                            In the real world the deck [and all other parts] would all have real thicknesses - for even a single sheet of metal is several mms or even cms thick.
                            So giving your parts real thicknesses will avoid many of these issue, because then the correctly sized and positioned edges of objects will no longer coincident with the visible face of abutting objects...

                            TIG

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                              Supreme Line
                              last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:21

                              @dave r said:

                              As I suspected, it is the back face color showing through at seams. You can change the back face color to white and they won't show ion the white areas but they'll probably show in the areas you've painted black.

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                              I changed the back face color to magenta which makes your "dots" really stand out and confirms the problem. Turn the edges back one and those dots generally won't show because the edges will hide them.

                              Its not working over here 😞 grrrrr 😒

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                                Rich O Brien Moderator
                                last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:29

                                Computer Specs?

                                My guess is you've a pretty inadequate card

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                                  Dave R
                                  last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:33

                                  @supreme line said:

                                  Its not working over here 😞 grrrrr 😒

                                  What's not working?

                                  As Rich suggests, you've probably got an inadequate card. If this stuff is important to you, try upgrading your hardware.

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                                    Supreme Line
                                    last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:45

                                    Processor is Intel(r) Core 3 Duo, with a memory of 3.00GB and its a 32-bit operating system.

                                    As I said iv built around 40+ models and this is the very first time iv seen this before, and they are well bigger in all ways with a lot more detail.

                                    The other ship (below) is bigger, no problem at all while building.


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                                      Dave R
                                      last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:48

                                      This is a graphics card issue not CPU.

                                      I'd bet a beer we could go through every model you've created and find the same issue. Just turn on the edges while you're working and they won't show. Besides, they don't hurt anything while you're drawing, anyway.

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                                        Supreme Line
                                        last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 12:54

                                        Graphics Card: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD

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                                          Supreme Line
                                          last edited by 22 Sept 2013, 13:01

                                          Here is the ship before these dots appeared.


                                          s1.jpg

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