SketchUp 2013 Gripes & Bitchin' ONLY ;)
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@pbacot said:
I wonder if a shortcut could be to build things in SU and combine a scene, plus handle organic things, in Rhino.
Petr
I think it's important to note that Rhino is not a organic modeler like a sub-d modeler is. Rhino is the master at curves - curves of all kinds and all categories (think complex marine hulls, consumer products, etc.) but if you wanted to model something truly organic - say, a dinosaur head for a commercial or something like that, you'd want to do that with a sub-d program. I use modo for sub-d work but I am interested in the two lesser applications numerobis mentioned: T-Splines & Clayoo because they can both work within the Rhino environment.
I think a thread about transitioning from SketchUp to Rhino would be a great idea.
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[quote="arail1"]This is a Novedge webinar from a couple of days ago that's pretty good if you haven't already seen it.
http://www.novedge.com/webinar/74Arail,
Yea, I had a good look at that webinar, quite impressive and very similar to SU in alot of ways. I agree Grasshopper is one impressive plugin but something that would take me years to master.
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@unknownuser said:
@arail1 said:
This is a Novedge webinar from a couple of days ago that's pretty good if you haven't already seen it.
http://www.novedge.com/webinar/74Arail,
Yea, I had a good look at that webinar, quite impressive and very similar to SU in alot of ways. I agree Grasshopper is one impressive plugin but something that would take me years to master.
Another vote here for SU to Rhino / VisualArq thread.I'm somewhat intimidated by Grasshopper also but I intend to download and try. I wanted to make sure that I had at least a basic grasp of Rhino before I started branching out into the numerous plugins available. I haven't yet tried to go back and forth between SU and Rhino but I will be doing so soon. If anyone following this thread has any experience moving between the two programs I'd like to hear about your experience.
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@arail1 said:
If anyone following this thread has any experience moving between the two programs I'd like to hear about your experience.
i'll sometimes go rhino->sketchup but i generally don't go the other way.. i just haven't found a need for it.
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on the rhino or sketchup thing..
i'm in the middle of a concrete project right now.. i like to use software to get cutlists to the crew.
these two things were being worked on at the same time.. also drawn at or near the same times.. both softwares are open at the site..etc
i can draw this super quick and accurate in sketchup:
with this piece, regardless of the fact that the concrete will provide the roundness and the forms can be straight framed/plied, it's faster to get an accurate cutlist in rhino.. (in this case, namely because of the ease/precision of dividing curves as well as orienting things perpendicular to curves at any given location)
when it comes down to it, i guess it's just me doing the "use the right tool for job" adage.. with software, i'm basically using the one i can get the job done fastest with the required accuracy.. and for now, i'm a lot faster with sketchup so i definitely use it when the situation allows.
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Jeff,Totally agree, you have to use the right tool for the right job and one that is going to do it the most efficiently. In my sitaution our work can range from a simple new office fitout...(where SU excels) to a 5 star hotel that has a consultant design team of 10 and upwards.Having the structural engineer, surveyor, geotech engineer HVAC, electrical and hydraulics engineers all working from the same BIM model is key for us. Since I dont use revit but I employ Architects and technicians who do, SU has become my pencil and yellow trace on streoids. It allows me to quickly test design ideas and share them with the team.
For me, teaching myself Revit is just not a good utilisation of my time, As much as I would enjoy it since I come from a drafting background, I am better off employing people who have been using revit for many years. As a conceptual tool I think using revit would be like wading through mud compared to how quickly I can use SU. The models I do ( which I call in the office concept models) do infact have quite a lot of detail in them. Some models go through various phases of development over many months. As I mentioned in a previous post, its a real shame that all of this hard work in SU cant be leveraged through export to Revit to kickstart the detail design process. My feeling is the first time I will able to do this will pay back on any programme I purchased to perform this task probably 10 fold. Unfortunately, SU can only export a dumb block into Revit but Rhino / VisualArq also exports retaining all parametric features of components.With the cost of a Rhino and VA licence running at approx. NZ$1,600.00. I would give myself a 6 month phase in period of SU to Rhino, payback would be within the first year and just get better after that.
So for me, I will still use SU but only when it suits the job at hand like you Jeff but I think the development of SU has stagnated somewhat, either that or my expectation for the programme and where it was heading were ill founded
I feel it could be the beginning of a messy divorce for me SU. -
My worflow in Sketchup 2013.
Go into group.
Draw/extrude/watever something.
Save
Exit group and sketchup crashes.
Reopen scene.Rinse and repeat.
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@unknownuser said:
My worflow in Sketchup 2013.
Go into group.
Draw/extrude/watever something.
Save
Exit group and sketchup crashes.
Reopen scene.Rinse and repeat.
Sounds like you have a 'crashing plugin' - perhaps Vray-beta or one of the half-baked new BIM tools ? These can change the way base class/methods work or more likely they add ill-conceived EntitiesObservers etc, and in the process they break legit scripts and even SketchUp itself. Try without those loading from the Plugins folder and see what happens ? It is not SketchUp OR the legit script that is crashing - it's this other script which you have loaded but are not even using - it has either broken something basic in way SketchUp works OR it has an Observer usually silently lurking an watching your every move, that kicks in inappropriately and then breaks things big time...
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Well, took the plunge and updated to SU 2013 and like Big mike am pleasantly surprised at the how quick it is and how well it handles larger models. I was struggling with a plus 50 meg file last week.
and had this referenced into LO. It used to take SU about 3-4 minutes to crank up and open the file, now it does the same one in 15-20 seconds max. Not sure why that is but for me its feeling like a more stable programme than SU8. LO especially is great now that vector rendering is way quicker and am also liking the textures in LO as well.
Getting a new desktop built at the moment with SSD so cant wait to see how quick it is then.
As for Gripes, they are getting less but I think trimble should take a serious look at Visualarq. If SU is heading in a similar direction then I would be one happy camper
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About ruby in x64, i saw development for ruby connection in revit(rubyShell project). They used ironRuby to support revit x64 platform...
Can SKU team such, if they read this? -
Ruby runs also on ARM (or sparc or whatever you want). If SketchUp were about to support ARM devices/desktops, they would without doubt be able to include the SketchUp Ruby API as well (with bigger or smaller effort for porting).
I think the reason is that x86 64bit is fully compatible with x86 32bit, it's just a "gimmick"/bonus that improves some tasks, but not all.Another "future gripe" (that hopefully comes not true):
It would be a mistake to follow for a mobile version the current "conservative" philosophy of native non-cross-platform development. We see already that it's too hard to even maintain two codebases for Windows and OSX without cross-platform technology (see the significant differences in UI, features and bugs). It would be not future-proof to build one app for Android and one for iOS with separate code-bases and at the same time locking out users of the growing alternatives (Firefox, Tizen, etc, etc, Windows Phone 8). It's a pluralizing market and by catching the common denominator, a lot of wasted effort can be spared. -
@ilay7k said:
About ruby in x64, i saw development for ruby connection in revit(rubyShell project). They used ironRuby to support revit x64 platform...
Can SKU team such, if they read this?ironRuby is targeted for the .NET framework.
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@thomthom said:
@ilay7k said:
About ruby in x64, i saw development for ruby connection in revit(rubyShell project). They used ironRuby to support revit x64 platform...
Can SKU team such, if they read this?ironRuby is targeted for the .NET framework.
and? Trimble LayOut is on it(.NET framework) at windows...macos maybe at monoOSX, i don't know...
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But SketchUp isn't a .NET application. It'd be a complete rewrite of everything.
But I think MRI Ruby is available in 64bit anyway.
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@thomthom said:
But SketchUp isn't a .NET application. It'd be a complete rewrite of everything.
But I think MRI Ruby is available in 64bit anyway.
and?
What are sku team doing from release of 8? (Tom, i'm also at influence of name's this topic)
for example, they was under gigantic company as Google, than become Trimble... please don't point thats small...even Maxon(8-12 developers) is having parallel development of cinema4d r15(current version is r14.042) -
Anyone else experience crashes with "X-ray mode on" with quadros?
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@ilay7k said:
@thomthom said:
But SketchUp isn't a .NET application. It'd be a complete rewrite of everything.
But I think MRI Ruby is available in 64bit anyway.
and?
Point being that switching framework isn't needed for 64bit Ruby. Just an information FYI.
And it's be completely unrealistic to rewrite the whole application - then you could just start all over.@ilay7k said:
for example, they was under gigantic company as Google, than become Trimble... please don't point thats small...
Even though they where and are owned under large companies doesn't mean they have infinite resources and man-power. Google never poured developers at the SketchUp. They only wanted SketchUp for Google Earth integration - little more than that. At least Trimble has been hiring - new positions was announced immediately after the purchase was announced.
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@unknownuser said:
Anyone else experience crashes with "X-ray mode on" with quadros?
I got a Quadro 3800FX - no issues here. Driver version: 311.50.
Do you have issues on all models? And it doesn't crash is you disable Hardware Acceleration? What about plugins - does it crash when plugins are disabled?
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Just a question:
How come other software companies says their new 64bit application is faster and Trimble says SU won't be?
Here's from Flash CC info:
"64-bit Flash Professional CC is more modular and delivers unprecedented speed and stability."(As a sidenote, speed improvements is NOT the primary reason why I want SU 64bit)
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Don't think that refer to 64bit being speedier. From that one could say 64bit is more modular - which also makes so sense - 64bit is just larger data structures. Nothing related to speed or modularity in any way. I think one should read that is "Flash Professional CC is more modular [...]".
@pixero said:
How come other software companies says their new 64bit application is faster
I'd recommend a read up on "64bit myth" - where you get full technical details and a number of developers.Examples:
http://www.synfire.com/content/myths-and-facts-about-64-bit
https://www.ableton.com/en/articles/64bit-myths-facts/
http://jervisdabreo.com/thetechcorner/tech-myth-a-64-bit-operating-system-is-faster/
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