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    • srxS Offline
      srx
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      I think people are beginning to understand that the wolf of Rome masked himself in the lamb skin of Christ...but there still is true light from the Orthodox source.

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      • MarianM Offline
        Marian
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        @unknownuser said:

        I think this sums up my views on Religion.

        Oh no, not this video again. It's just a bunch of contradictions.....The guy says he hates religion but, loves the church, the bible and Jesus. If that isn't still religion I'll eat my sox.

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        • StinkieS Offline
          Stinkie
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          @marian said:

          If that isn't still religion (...)

          It is.

          @marian said:

          I'll eat my sox.

          Please post a vid on YouTube. 😎

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          • MarianM Offline
            Marian
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            @unknownuser said:

            Please post a vid on YouTube.

            😆 I would, but it still is a religion, so no cotton fiber in my tummy today. 😄

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            • brodieB Offline
              brodie
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              As a Christian I appreciate the message he's trying to get across. The dichotomy between the sort of works based system of the world and relationship based system of God. However, I would tend to side with the atheists on this one in saying that this sort of popular movement to suggest Christianity isn't a religion is simply well intentioned equivocation. I hope atheists don't miss the point that's being raised here, but I think it's clear that Christianity fits any normal definition of the word "religion" and to suggest otherwise is just a sort of rhetorical dishonesty.

              -Brodie

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              • StinkieS Offline
                Stinkie
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                @unknownuser said:

                (...) I think it's clear that Christianity fits any normal definition of the word "religion" and to suggest otherwise is just a sort of rhetorical dishonesty.

                Word.

                Marian, less talking, mo' eating.

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                • C Offline
                  cornel
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                  Dear colleagues, it is evident that some of you have not yet studied the whole Bible, but quickly jump in for contradicting…
                  I recommend that after you finish reading the Holy Scripture, go through books explaining how God works, like “KNOWING God”, by J.I.PACKER, book with following content:

                  I KNOW THE LORD
                  1 The Study of God
                  2 The People Who Know Their God
                  3 Knowing and Being known
                  4 The Only True God
                  5 God Incarnate
                  6 He ShallTestify

                  II BEHOLD YOUR GOD!
                  7 God Unchanging
                  8 The Majesty of God
                  9 God Only Wise
                  10 God’s Wisdom and ours
                  11 Thay Word Is Truth
                  12 The Love of God
                  13 The Grace of God
                  14 God The Judge
                  15 The Wrath of God
                  16 Goodnessand Severity
                  17 The Jealous God

                  III IF GOD BE FOR US…
                  18 The Heartof the Gospel
                  19 Sons of God
                  20 Thou Our Guide
                  21These Inward Trials
                  22 The Adequacy of God

                  After that, it will be much easier for you to understand my ‘language’…!

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                  • C Offline
                    cornel
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                    @solo said:

                    Similar to understanding mental illness after visiting an asylum.

                    You are erroneous, ‘Solo’, because you start with preconceptions!

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                    • jeff hammondJ Offline
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                      @solo said:

                      .... so I bid y'all farewell until the next controversial topic.

                      did Satan create The Federal Reserve?

                      [EDIT] did Satan or Satans create...

                      and did you ever notice santa and satan are pretty much the same ☀
                      ..oh.. and is satan a god? but just a naughty god?

                      dotdotdot

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                      • boofredlayB Offline
                        boofredlay
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                        Satan was my cousin's dog.

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                        • Rich O BrienR Offline
                          Rich O Brien Moderator
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                          Here's Satan and God in the midst of their eternal battle

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                          • C Offline
                            cornel
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                            @ ‘Rich O’Brian’ (and other, similar…), You play with ‘fire’…!

                            At Galatians 6:7 is written:
                            “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows!”

                            P.S.: Take into account the fact that Satan does not agree to be underestimated and incited...!

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                            • BoxB Offline
                              Box
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                              I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan, beats the hell out of hanging around with close minded, brainwashed, proselytising, harp playing fundaMentalists like you.

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                                cornel
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                                @box said:

                                I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan, beats the hell out of hanging around with close minded, brainwashed,
                                ...

                                "I look forward to spending eternity" with God!

                                I believe in the only true God (John 17:3) revealed in the Scriptures as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). I believe in the oneness (Deut. 6:4), the trinity (Matthew 3:16-17) and the trinity unified as one God (Matthew 28:19).
                                God is a spirit (John 4:24), infinite and perfect in all His attributes (Psalms 139:1-12), the One that CREATED ALL THINGS (Rev. 4:11), and keeps all things through the power of His Word (Hebrews 1:3).
                                In Him we live, we move and have our being (Acts 17:28).
                                He is the SOURCE, the SUSTAINMENT and the FINALITY of all things (Romans 11:36).

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                                  cornel
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                                  @box said:

                                  I look forward to spending eternity hangin out with Satan,
                                  ...

                                  I believe in the real existence of the Satan/Devil (Job 1:6,etc.)...
                                  He is a being which was created, originally holy, then fallen through pride and rebellion against God, and became the enemy of God and man (Ezechiel 28:12-17).
                                  He is the one who instigated man into disobedience (Genesis 3:4-5; 2 Corinthians 11:3).
                                  He is 'the ruler of the kingdom of the air’ (Ephesians 2:2); the "accuser" of the holy ones (Revelations 12:10); the falsifier of God’s works (Matthew 13:25,38,39).
                                  He was restrained at the cross (Colossians 2:15), and is destined in the end to be striped of all his power and to be thrown in the ‘lake of fire’ (Revelations 20:10).

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                                  • Alan FraserA Offline
                                    Alan Fraser
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                                    There's no such being as Satan. He's just the Middle East equivalent of the Norse god Loki....whose daughter is called Hel. Hel was cast into the subterranean domain of Nifleheim...to Hel's Hall (Helhalla), where she rules over all those not worthy to enter Valhalla. On the day of Ragnarök, Loki will lead his three children (Hel, Fenrir, the giant wolf; and Jormungandr the serpent ) together with an army of giants to do battle with the gods...good vs evil. Sounds fairly familiar...and I ain't talking about Lord of The Rings. I stopped believing in fairy tales a long time ago.

                                    All cultures have these myths. That doesn't mean they have any basis in fact...merely that people aren't that different and all try to explain the dichotomy between good and evil, good fortune and bad in their own way. The Native American version would be the Trickster.

                                    If you ever feel like reading something other than the Bible, you could do worse than starting with this.

                                    Of course, Norse mythology also features Trolls...which some of us suspect a certain contributor to these boards might number himself amongst.

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                                    • brodieB Offline
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                                      @alan fraser said:

                                      There's no such being as Satan. He's just the Middle East equivalent of the Norse god Loki....whose daughter is called Hel, who was cast into the subterranean domain of Nifleheim...to Hel's Hall (Helhalla), where she rules over all those not worthy to enter Valhalla. On the day of Ragnarök, Loki will lead his three children and an army of giants to do battle with the gods...good vs evil.

                                      Alan, you're quite the Nord nerd.

                                      I can't speak to much to the specifics of these similarities (they don't sound all that similar to me, but whatever) but an alternative explanation of these stories is that perhaps there's an underlying truth to all of them. Sort of a theme that's been passed down throughout the collective consciousness through stories and oral tradition which have been adapted over time by various cultures. What would you say about that possibility.

                                      Of course, Norse mythology also features Trolls...which some of us suspect a certain contributor to these boards might number himself amongst.[/quote]

                                      haha. Does Norse mythology give us any clues on how to dispatch such a creature should we HAPPEN to run across one?

                                      -Brodie

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                                      • Alan FraserA Offline
                                        Alan Fraser
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                                        @unknownuser said:

                                        ...but an alternative explanation of these stories is that perhaps there's an underlying truth to all of them. Sort of a theme that's been passed down throughout the collective consciousness through stories and oral tradition which have been adapted over time by various cultures. What would you say about that possibility.

                                        -Brodie

                                        No there isn't. There really isn't. I already stated that. They are similar attempts...very possibly all based on earlier myths...therefore somewhat related...to explain good and evil. But that does not mean that they have any grounding in fact or truth. Thunder is not produced by the Thunderbird flapping his wings any more than it's produced by Thor striking his hammer.
                                        What's more, there are plenty of eminent churchmen that would agree with me. Satan hardly appears in the Jewish tradition....certainly not as the great bogeyman he's been made out to be by layer after layer of deluded masochistic christians. These people have taken the original idea of Sheol...which can mean something as basic as being undergound (as in a grave)...somewhere where all the dead go, irrespective of whether they've been good or bad...mixed it in with the old Greek myth of Hades...taken the Hell from the Nordic tradition and invented this lunacy that is preached today as fact.

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                                          Try new improve Atheism [now with added religion!] http://www.ted.com/talks/alain_de_botton_atheism_2_0.html

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                                          • brodieB Offline
                                            brodie
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                                            @alan fraser said:

                                            No there isn't. There really isn't. I already stated that. They are similar attempts...very possibly all based on earlier myths...therefore somewhat related...to explain good and evil.

                                            So we're not so far off then. You're willing to say that they are 'very possibly all based on earlier myths' attesting to the potential for a common denominator. Our disagreement then is that I allow for the possibility that perhaps that common element holds a historical element whereas you seem to suggest this is impossible. Is that an accurate representation of what you're saying?

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            But that does not mean that they have any grounding in fact or truth. Thunder is not produced by the Thunderbird flapping his wings any more than it's produced by Thor striking his hammer.
                                            What's more, there are plenty of eminent churchmen that would agree with me. Satan hardly appears in the Jewish tradition....certainly not as the great bogeyman he's been made out to be by layer after layer of deluded masochistic christians. These people have taken the original idea of Sheol...which can mean something as basic as being undergound (as in a grave)...somewhere where all the dead go, irrespective of whether they've been good or bad...mixed it in with the old Greek myth of Hades...taken the Hell from the Nordic tradition and invented this lunacy that is preached today as fact.

                                            There's a giant gap between where the concept of Satan is today, vs. what we can say Bibilically. I'm unwilling to defend a concept of Satan developed in the middle ages which has persisted through our culture to this day if that's primarily where you're going. However, I'll agree that Satan certainly plays a larger role in the new testament and the idea of the after life is further developed. But I don't quite see how you can so conclusively say that 1st century Judaism and before were just taking ideas from Nordic myths and such.

                                            At least with the phrase Hades which isused in the Bible, there was some semantic borrowing but that doesn't mean they were adopting the greek idea of hell - far from it. I heard someone recently suggest that their boss was on a 'jihad' when it came to getting some task completed. He was adopting the language and we know what he meant - to suggest he was implying his boss was a radical muslim would be to miss the point. As for borrowing the term "hell" from Nordic tradition, you should know that the word "hell" isn't in the Bible so it's a pretty irrelevant point. The two primary words we translate as hell are "hades" and "gehenna," the later of which was essentially a trash dump with a sordid history outside of Jerusalem. Most of what we know about hell comes from Jesus and he tells us precious little about it. And often when he does speak of it, he's making a completely different point so it's unclear whether he's at all giving us a clear picture of what it's like or if he's simply adopting the contemporary idea of hell in Jewish culture in order to have a context for his real point.

                                            -Brodie

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