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    Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED

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      tomsdesk
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      Maybe answering another question might shed some light on this conundrum..."Which came first: the chicken or the egg?"

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        cornel
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        'Solo', describe "Zeus", that you have proposed, so that I can give your answer!

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          sepo
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          @ Cornel
          In Abrahamic religions there is only one God but surely there are some other religions which have more than one God. I suggest that tolerance is the answer.

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            cornel
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            ‘Tomsdesk’, your question (re. the chicken or the egg) eliminate the Creator. Are you aware of this fact?!

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              cornel
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              @ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

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                Stinkie
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                @unknownuser said:

                @ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

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                  sepo
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                  @unknownuser said:

                  @ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

                  Actually you are wrong. There are religions with pantheon of Gods.... Seems to me your religious view is exclusive and dogmatic. Historically that kind of non tolerant view has been cause of lot evil such as wars, license to pillage and kill etc...

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                    Rich O Brien Moderator
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                    I've a friend from Srii Lanka who is a Tamil and worships several gods. His gods are different from his wife's gods who's also Tamil.

                    So I feel your pinion is skewed somewhat.

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                      gilles
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                      Go on boys, never give up!


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                        pbacot
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                        @unknownuser said:

                        My brother kneels, so saith Kabir,
                        To stone and brass in heathen-wise,
                        But in my brother’s voice I hear
                        My own unanswered agonies.
                        His God is as his fates assign.
                        His prayer is all the world’s—and mine.

                        Kabir / Kipling

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                          cornel
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                          Guys, only true God can say so to the other gods?!:
                          “[“Present your case,” says the LORD.
                          “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
                          “Tell us, you idols,
                          what is going to happen.
                          Tell us what the former things were,
                          so that we may consider them
                          and know their final outcome.
                          Or declare to us the things to come,
                          tell us what the future holds,
                          so we may know that you are gods.
                          Do something, whether good or bad,
                          so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.
                          But you are less than nothing
                          and you can do nothing;
                          those who choose you are detestable.]”
                          (See Isaiah 41:21-24 TNIV)

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                            cornel
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                            A bonus:
                            “[“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “Who is, and Who was, and Who is to come, the Almighty.”]” (Revelation 1:8)
                            Guys, please note that the exposure is in the singular!

                            ‘Solo’, “Elohim” is not a ‘real plural’; it is a Thrinity (huge difference…)

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                              david.
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                              @solo said:

                              Cornel, the bible refers to the Deity as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods."

                              Not really. It depends on how it is used in the grammatical context. You might check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

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                                Stinkie
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                                @unknownuser said:

                                I've a friend from Srii Lanka who is a Tamil and worships several gods. His gods are different from his wife's gods who's also Tamil.

                                Ah! Same here. My god's Beer, whereas my girlfriend's called Shoes.

                                My god gives. Hers only takes.

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                                  sepo
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                                  Cornel it makes only sense if you believe that Bible is the only holy book and it is the only source of all truth.
                                  You say you are an architect. I would really like to see your designs. I am intrigued now.

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                                    Stinkie
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                                    There's some in the gallery, Sid.

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                                      sepo
                                      last edited by

                                      aha... need to see that...
                                      interesting ... I would never connect this two personalities.

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                                        TIG Moderator
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                                        Cornel seems to have an even narrower view of things.
                                        Not only is his Bible the only source of the truth, his interpretation of its contents is the only correct version of that truth.
                                        This is a stupefying silly position to adopt.
                                        To take it to its logical conclusions... 😒
                                        Any other version of that Bible [let alone another holy book] is by definition inferior to his own copy - therefore any older OR newer editions cannot be as 'truthful' as the copy he has ? Therefore there can be no 'evolution' of his interpretation, because it is a source that can never be improved upon ?
                                        Because his interpretation of that book's 'truth' is the best there is [or can ever be] then all earlier interpretations must be less valid than his [even those by the most highly regarded theologians throughout history] and any future interpretations will also be less valid that his - because he says so !
                                        If his opinions are not wholly taken from his personal [aka 'true'] interpretations of his own Bible, then they must be invalid and he should disregard them: however, few men are an island, so I suspect that many of his opinions are hand-me-downs from others, and are therefore no more valid that anyone else's. He can only espouse opinions that he has reached through his own efforts and thinking - without reference to external commentators on 'his' Bible - who have probably not even got the same text as his, have disparate views and are unlikely to be in full agreement anyway. If he cherry-picks ideas from others [or his Bible] then he is not presenting a true and proper interpretation of the material...
                                        etc etc
                                        In conclusion, Cornel has not got a valid opinion on the matter of God/Gods and the Universe and Creation, unless he presents a proper argument... 'It's like this because someone told me it is...' doesn't cut the mustard...

                                        TIG

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                                          sepo
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                                          Well and logically put Tig... 👍

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                                            Gaieus
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                                            @sepo said:

                                            Well and logically put Tig... 👍

                                            That does not seem to matter here. 😒

                                            Gai...

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