Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED

Ern

"In the beginning there was nothing... Then it exploded!"

Or did someone already mention that?

irwanwr

So, 66 books, written by 40 different authors, in a period of 1,500 years, in three languages and three continents, describing the same issues, teachings and exhortations, without having errors or contradictions.

well, there you go.
you just gave me a proof that you didn't really "read" the book.

@unknownuser said:

Cornel wrote:
@ TomDC. Marian denies the Bible used by his ancestors, but it is obvious that he didn’t study it!

that goes with the Unitarian too. they might ask you the same question and judgement. these words may be applied to you by the Unitarian, "Cornel denies the original scriptures used by christian ancestors, long before Constantine and Council of Nicaea came and affirm Trinity into the scriptures as if Jesus [ed] was Son of God as if truly Hercules Son of Zeus."

cornel

The “biginning point” iz “Alpha” point...
Time is a parenthesis of Eternity ...
Eternity is interrupted at the point “Alpha”, [corresponding to the completion of Creation and fall (in sin) of man], and will get back on track to "fullness of time", the “Omega” point (corresponding to a "new heaven" and "new earth"), as "Ever and ever" period.

As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.
For example, "Current Age" includes these periods: World after Flood, Patriarchs (from Abraham to Moses), Law period, the Church and the Tribulation time.

solo

@unknownuser said:

As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.

Is this the flood that flooded the entire earth? if yes, where did all that water come from or go to? because even with all ice caps, glaciers, Antarctica and the arctic melted it will never flood the entire earth, so we either lost a shit load of water or that entire story is crap.

cornel

@ 'Solo'.
Regarding Flood marks, any experienced surveyor can show the proper layer of specific sediments.

Regarding water, read Genesis carefully, and you will see that before the Flood, and during the Flood, water was distributed differently (in another way than today)on Terra, especially in the atmosphere. Because of that, people lived before even over 900 years. I thought you know these basic issues ...

Alan Fraser

@unknownuser said:

@ 'Solo'.
Regarding Flood marks, any experienced surveyor can show the proper layer of specific sediments.

Regarding water, read Genesis carefully, and you will see that before the Flood, and during the Flood, water was distributed differently (in another way than today)on Terra, especially in the atmosphere. Because of that, people lived before even over 900 years. I thought you know these basic issues ...

Both of those statements are either lies or nonsense...take your pick. That's the only response you merit. The scientific evidence that shows creationist claims to be such is utterly overwhelming.

Stinkie

Got this off Wikipedia: "Can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it?"

Mike Lucey

I've edited the original title to now read 'Did a God or Gods create the universe?' This thread is going around in circles debating whether the bible it true or not and getting nowhere.

cornel

@ Mike L.
Word "Gods" is nonsense. There can be only One true God, because He is ABSOLUTE!

tomsdesk

Maybe answering another question might shed some light on this conundrum..."Which came first: the chicken or the egg?"

cornel

'Solo', describe "Zeus", that you have proposed, so that I can give your answer!

sepo

@ Cornel
In Abrahamic religions there is only one God but surely there are some other religions which have more than one God. I suggest that tolerance is the answer.

cornel

‘Tomsdesk’, your question (re. the chicken or the egg) eliminate the Creator. Are you aware of this fact?!

cornel

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

By Shiva, you're one resourceful troll, C-man! Props to ya!

sepo

@unknownuser said:

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

Actually you are wrong. There are religions with pantheon of Gods.... Seems to me your religious view is exclusive and dogmatic. Historically that kind of non tolerant view has been cause of lot evil such as wars, license to pillage and kill etc...

Rich O Brien

I've a friend from Srii Lanka who is a Tamil and worships several gods. His gods are different from his wife's gods who's also Tamil.

So I feel your pinion is skewed somewhat.

gilles

Go on boys, never give up!

pbacot

@unknownuser said:

My brother kneels, so saith Kabir,
To stone and brass in heathen-wise,
But in my brother’s voice I hear
My own unanswered agonies.
His God is as his fates assign.
His prayer is all the world’s—and mine.

Kabir / Kipling

cornel

Guys, only true God can say so to the other gods?!:
“[“Present your case,” says the LORD.
“Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
“Tell us, you idols,
what is going to happen.
Tell us what the former things were,
so that we may consider them
and know their final outcome.
Or declare to us the things to come,
tell us what the future holds,
so we may know that you are gods.
Do something, whether good or bad,
so that we will be dismayed and filled with fear.
But you are less than nothing
and you can do nothing;
those who choose you are detestable.]”
(See Isaiah 41:21-24 TNIV)