Did a God or Gods create the universe? EDITED

brodie

I think the people above already obliged your request. Why would a perfect god be so vulgar is beyond me, but that is the least of his problems.

I find those sorts of verses, although shocking to our sensibilities, very informative in a sense. The contexts are very different, as are the reasons for using that sort of language but I find they tend to give us a clearer picture than if they weren't included. In some cases they're clearly meant to 'shock' us into seeing the ugliness we're capable of or which exists in our broken world. In other cases I think it's a simple and honest description of what happened. In others it might show us that God is, perhaps not as neat and clean as we'd like him to be.

Part of the problem with our culture is that we've turned the Bible into a series of children's stories. I think this is not only false but it damages our perception of God. Noah's flood, is a classic example, painted on the walls of many sunday school rooms. It makes for a pretty enough scene if you focus on the cute animals and not all of they drowning people and animals which are left out - but those things are important to the story.

-Brodie

cornel

@ ‘gilles’. re. autors of the Bible. Books of Moses, Moses wrote; the Psalms of David, David wrote; Gospel of Matthew, Matthew wrote; Paul's Epistles, Paul wrote, and so on...

cornel

The Bible is not one book, as many consider, but a collection of 66 books containing stories, prophecies, poems, maxims and thoughts, letters, etc..
These books were written by about. 40 different authors, with different backgrounds like: kings, prophets, doctors, fishermen, shepherds, etc.. Most authors have not personally ever known ... and the whole collection was written in a period of about 1500 years. The 66 books were written in three different languages (in Jewish, Aramaic and Greek) and three different continents (Asia, Africa and Europe)

So, 66 books, written by 40 different authors, in a period of 1,500 years, in three languages and three continents, describing the same issues, teachings and exhortations, without having errors or contradictions.

Go to any library in the world and try to find other collections so efficient that the similarities of the Bible? Impossible, isn’t it?!
The probability that someone can create such a collection that can meet the conditions books of the Bible, is one of a number for which there is no in the world enough paper to be written.
The logical conclusion: the Bible is the inspired Word of God!

Ern

"In the beginning there was nothing... Then it exploded!"

Or did someone already mention that?

irwanwr

@unknownuser said:

So, 66 books, written by 40 different authors, in a period of 1,500 years, in three languages and three continents, describing the same issues, teachings and exhortations, without having errors or contradictions.

well, there you go.
you just gave me a proof that you didn't really "read" the book.

@unknownuser said:

Cornel wrote:
@ TomDC. Marian denies the Bible used by his ancestors, but it is obvious that he didn’t study it!

that goes with the Unitarian too. they might ask you the same question and judgement. these words may be applied to you by the Unitarian, "Cornel denies the original scriptures used by christian ancestors, long before Constantine and Council of Nicaea came and affirm Trinity into the scriptures as if Jesus [ed] was Son of God as if truly Hercules Son of Zeus."

cornel

The “biginning point” iz “Alpha” point...
Time is a parenthesis of Eternity ...
Eternity is interrupted at the point “Alpha”, [corresponding to the completion of Creation and fall (in sin) of man], and will get back on track to "fullness of time", the “Omega” point (corresponding to a "new heaven" and "new earth"), as "Ever and ever" period.

As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.
For example, "Current Age" includes these periods: World after Flood, Patriarchs (from Abraham to Moses), Law period, the Church and the Tribulation time.

solo

@unknownuser said:

As a large part, time covers three distinct eras (Before the Flood, Current Age and the Age to Come), each era having specific subdivisions.

Is this the flood that flooded the entire earth? if yes, where did all that water come from or go to? because even with all ice caps, glaciers, Antarctica and the arctic melted it will never flood the entire earth, so we either lost a shit load of water or that entire story is crap.

cornel

@ 'Solo'.
Regarding Flood marks, any experienced surveyor can show the proper layer of specific sediments.

Regarding water, read Genesis carefully, and you will see that before the Flood, and during the Flood, water was distributed differently (in another way than today)on Terra, especially in the atmosphere. Because of that, people lived before even over 900 years. I thought you know these basic issues ...

Alan Fraser

@unknownuser said:

@ 'Solo'.
Regarding Flood marks, any experienced surveyor can show the proper layer of specific sediments.

Regarding water, read Genesis carefully, and you will see that before the Flood, and during the Flood, water was distributed differently (in another way than today)on Terra, especially in the atmosphere. Because of that, people lived before even over 900 years. I thought you know these basic issues ...

Both of those statements are either lies or nonsense...take your pick. That's the only response you merit. The scientific evidence that shows creationist claims to be such is utterly overwhelming.

Stinkie

Got this off Wikipedia: "Can God create a rock so big that he cannot lift it?"

Mike Lucey

I've edited the original title to now read 'Did a God or Gods create the universe?' This thread is going around in circles debating whether the bible it true or not and getting nowhere.

cornel

@ Mike L.
Word "Gods" is nonsense. There can be only One true God, because He is ABSOLUTE!

tomsdesk

Maybe answering another question might shed some light on this conundrum..."Which came first: the chicken or the egg?"

cornel

'Solo', describe "Zeus", that you have proposed, so that I can give your answer!

sepo

@ Cornel
In Abrahamic religions there is only one God but surely there are some other religions which have more than one God. I suggest that tolerance is the answer.

cornel

‘Tomsdesk’, your question (re. the chicken or the egg) eliminate the Creator. Are you aware of this fact?!

cornel

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

Stinkie

@unknownuser said:

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

By Shiva, you're one resourceful troll, C-man! Props to ya!

sepo

@unknownuser said:

@ ‘Sepo’. In any religion, there can be only One TRUE God. There is no room for tolerance... We are not talking now about false gods, idols etc.

Actually you are wrong. There are religions with pantheon of Gods.... Seems to me your religious view is exclusive and dogmatic. Historically that kind of non tolerant view has been cause of lot evil such as wars, license to pillage and kill etc...

Rich O Brien

I've a friend from Srii Lanka who is a Tamil and worships several gods. His gods are different from his wife's gods who's also Tamil.

So I feel your pinion is skewed somewhat.