I'm thinking Apple maybe like Murphy's dog!
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Hardware and software is inseparable. However WinPCs are commodities, whereas an OSXPc is a boutique computer. Both are priced accordingly. I wounder if Apples, as boutique products, can exist without PCs, or remain a boutique item if they had a substantial market share. Like makers of other boutique products, Vuitton, Channel, Rolex, etc., they aggressively protect their "brand" name. That $10,000.00 hand bag is made of better fabric, but like razor blades, the cost of its materials is a negligible part of its perceived value. Carrying one however, provides status and style.
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Hi folks.
I have used Apple computers since the Apple II era. I bought one in 1978.
After that, I bought a Mac every 10 years (yes ... ten). One in 1987, one in 1997 and my last one in 2007.
My motto is : find the computer that will run the software that you need and that will do it well, be easy to learn. In short, an efficient combination of software and hardware.
At work, I was able to use Macs from 1987 to 1997. After that, I was forced to switch to PCs. I adapted, and still do every day since I use a PC at work and a Mac at home.
There are not that many differences.
The PC works well and crash sometimes (about once or twice a week). I have to reboot and wait about 10 minutes (yes ... ten) for all the security scans and whatnot stuff to be loaded before I can resume work. Maybe this four years old machine is good for retirement.
The Mac don't crash often although I installed a few gadgets here and there. In fact, it don't crash. Applications quit sometime untexpectedly. Only a very few and only rarely. I just restart the application. No need to reboot. And, If I need to reboot, it takes 40 seconds on snow Leopard (10.6.3) or 20 seconds on a barebone Tiger (10.4.11) installed on my external hard drive.
This machine simply do what I tell it to do, period.
Guess which computer I prefer ?
It is not because of the name, it is because of the efficiency.
Similar to SketchUp efficiency.
For me, an efficient tool is a tool that don't interpose itself between me and the job I want to do.
Just ideas.
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Well said Jean ..... as per usual
For me, Macs have saved me quite a bit of money over the past 4 years in the fact that I have only once had to call to a service guy and this cost nothing! On average when I was using PC / Win I had to employ a service guy at least two or three times a year at average of €120 per visit. the equates to €120 x 3 x 4 = €1400! Putting that figure along with what my current 3 year old machine is worth on a trade-in (€1000 - 1200) will get me a new MacBook Pro.
I think the reason I had so many serious unrecoverable crashes is because I am always loading, checking out and unloading new programs. I still check out new stuff just as much but with no ill effects to the Mac.
Jean mentions efficiency as being the key to success. I think the fact that Macs and their OS have been put together and fine tuned by a single company must be the key to producing a reliable machine. This being the case I can also understand and partially agree with the 'closed shop' company policy of Apple.
Mike (apphole)
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@mike lucey said:
Well said Jean ..... as per usual
I think the reason I had so many serious unrecoverable crashes is because I am always loading, checking out and unloading new programs. I still check out new stuff just as much but with no ill effects to the Mac.
Mike (apphole)
that's because you can't get half the programs for mac, to check out.
you apphole!
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Even the virus writers don't support the Mac OS
Seriously though folks, I started in Unix, migrated to Mac OS [I used to be an 'expert AppleScripter'] then to PC et al - I know it's the wrong way round
It's a bit like the current election fiasco in the UK... each has their good points and each their bad, we need a coalition, but with the Lib-Dems as Linux , Lab/Con as Mac/PC or perhaps vice versa ? It ain't goin' to happen soon.....
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@tig said:
Even the virus writers don't support the Mac OS
shhhhh!
that's what i'm sort of nervous about with apple making this huge business leap.. i'd hate for them to get too popular!
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LOL, I was reading some comments of Apple users when learning that one can mod the ipad to run Windows, one guy's remark was " Oh crap! ipad has a virus"
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What do people do to make their computers crash? I have not seen a bluescreen for years. I knew how to make my old Windows NT PC crash (opening a text file from an external UDF rewritable CD drive did the trick) but since then I have not seen a software-induced crash. Failing hardware can cause crashes, but in that respect PCs and Macs seem to be equal.
Anssi
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@anssi said:
What do people do to make their computers crash? I have not seen a bluescreen for years. I knew how to make my old Windows NT PC crash (opening a text file from an external UDF rewritable CD drive did the trick) but since then I have not seen a software-induced crash. Failing hardware can cause crashes, but in that respect PCs and Macs seem to be equal.
Anssi
Good question - I haven't had software crash ever that I recall, just hardware problems.
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In my case from what I remember, the problems occurred when I removed the programs. It often happened that files that should not be have taken out were.
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I see Adobe is taking an interesting approach to Apple's decision to dump them
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/13/adobe-targets-apple-in-ad-campaign-launched-today-publishes-ope/
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It gets worse for Apple.
http://www.bitterwallet.com/a-bad-day-for-apple-as-they-get-sued-and-people-kill-themselves/29459
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HTC Fires Back, Sues Apple
Taiwanese phone maker says Apple has violated five patents, asks to ban sales of the iPhone, iPad, and iPod. -
That's what happens when a company climes up the ladder. There are lot of others trying to pull the down. Whatever about the patent cases, the suicides are terrible. Maybe its about time Apple stated manufacturing their products in the USA!
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@chris fullmer said:
Anyhow, I suppose this whole Mac vs PC business is why so many people are in love with Linux?
For one reason, Linux is free. Also I like being able to get into the nuts'n bolts of an OS when necessary, and I like how Linux often doesn't give a darn who made your hardware, it just works (most of the time); like XSane scanner software, HP seems to think I need a 250MB program just so my scanner/printer combo works. Linux? No bloatware, Xsane does a great job, simpler. Add things like Songbird or Amarok, GIMP, Blender, Compiz, and all the other great free apps that I can run on Linux (including SU), and the only reason I stay with Windoze is gaming.
Plus I guess I'm just tired of all the companies telling me I don't really own my software anymore. Open source FTW. JMO.
As far as apple goes, I think it's partly that it has the new-age hip feel to it, whereas MS has a rather stuffy business image. As mentioned previously, Apple stuff pretty much just works. I have a Win mobile 6.x phone and I got my wife an iPhone. My phone is slow, has too many menus to jump through, locks up occasionally, doesn't play any media other than MP3s, and any has no real "app" selection. OTOH, the iPhone is quick, does what it does well, doesn't lock up, plays most media, and has tens of thousands of apps. I'm always stealing her phone, I'd get rid of mine if I didn't need it for job-specific software I use.
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SH@t!, the guy who lost the iphone prototypekilled himself? I hope they never find the guy that found it and sold itto GIZMODO.
"The world’s largest electronics assembler – Foxconn – who provide for Apple, has seen another one of its staff members killing themselves...........This news comes on the back of a notorious story where Sun Danyongwas (allegedly) being shoved around and beaten up by Foxconn’s security after a prototype Apple iPhone 4G went walkies................ like Sun Danyong, leapt from her apartment block to her death."
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suicide?
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Even though I just became a member today and I praised Solo's work as an inspiration for becoming a member, I must
say that I am extremely happy in my cloistered Apple world. My wife insists on using Windows (insert the version and expletive of your choice). I'm the de facto IT guy which has to find files, dig through an endless control panel and plow through arcane menus to fix problems I never experience on a Mac. If the "Apple Guy" ever does a commercial with the "ZX Spectrum Guy" I'll know why I still want my Mac! ...CS Lewis I believe in Apple as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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@mike lucey said:
I see Adobe is taking an interesting approach to Apple's decision to dump them
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/13/adobe-targets-apple-in-ad-campaign-launched-today-publishes-ope/
But I just got an email ad from Apple. Seems like they are happy to promote CS5 (and sell it on their website).
As to the rest of this news.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us." Pogo
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