Could SketchUp be transformed to a BIM or PEN System?
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@dale said:
So to actually accomplish what you are discussing, what would be necessary.
Some professional to make the nameset machine from my performance specification/amateur coding.
A design firm willing to help run a trial project in parallel with their normal routine.
Models of products to be used in the trial project.
Funding for the machine, trial and models.
@dale said:
If this object is a wall, how could you enter all the data that is necessary simplistically enough to mirror the SketchUp user friendliness, so that this data could be extracted by anyone using the same software to apply the information to their discipline?
One of the principle functions of the machine and its devices is to reuse names, so that input is minimised. Even when used unique values are added as new prompts/options.
I find the prototype machine does not interfere with the Sketchup interface; in fact because of its small size and its ability to turn components on and off in different combinations, it makes scene making much less complicated and uncluttered than messing about with the layer inspector and outliner. It also uses observers so even now you can manipulate models directly or with the machine.
The machine and devices are made with html and javascript. Imported prompt/options and project records are stored in plain text. I believe this is about as interoperable as you can currently get.
@dale said:
This is a big undertaking, needing to codify everything from its position and location on the planet to the data needed to understand, quantify, and cost out etc, all the properties of this wall.
Every product whether made in a factory or on site would come with its own machine manipulable datasheet. For example, say there is a one brick wall component that is 1m x 1m. Its plain text datasheet details brick reference, dims, cost, delivery terms, mortar allowances and so forth. These would be part of the minimum registration requirement.
This type of component would be automatically made unique and sized and positioned manually or with machine devices that also enable setting design criteria.@dale said:
So would I still be able to paint a texture on this wall, or would there have to be a whole new library of materials that have embedded the information of the make-up of the materials.
I don't think presentation type things like textures need be affected, but in my view it would be best if manufacturers realistically textured their own models. This of course raises the question of modelling disciplines, file sizes and so on, which I think can wait.
@dale said:
This is a very big topic ...
It is but it can start small as I wrote above. Machines will be freely available, with storage of records determined by the machine owner. I haven't thought too deeply about the registries but I am sure there are better people than me to look after that. The main point is that this is a scheme that widely distributes the burden of compiling small amounts of data.
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It appear to me that many are wishing they could assign properties to SU objects so they later use that for documentation. Is there really no such tool out there already?
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@thomthom said:
@linea said:
... but I spent all day yesterday cutting holes for windows.
I got a plugin in the workings, which enables a cut-out component to cut through two faces. That should make things easier in terms on placing objects inside "thick walls".
Thom, apart from Hank's mystery plugin, did you finish your plugin mentioned here? It sound like just what I need right now.
@Edson, have you looked at HighDesign at all? HD is parametric (or that's what they say)
Very interesting thread btw. There are too many good threads on SCF, but I'll get in trouble with the wife if I read them all!
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@tfdesign said:
Thom, apart from Hank's mystery plugin, did you finish your plugin mentioned here? It sound like just what I need right now.
No - Due to critical bugs in SU's Observer APIs I have been unable to realise it. But, SU8 fixed many observer issues - so there is a possibility that the project could be resumed.
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Excellent Thom. I look forward to using it.
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Anyone interested in some more BIM discussion?
Please check out my topic:
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=34007- jan
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I'll take a bold step forward and suggest all the BIM gurus on this forum to try out SketchUpBIM. More information here: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=41840
My friends and I have written it over the past few months. The intention is to provide tools to create intelligent building elements (like beams, columns, slabs etc) inside SketchUp. And the goal is to keep it simple (just like SketchUp itself), while also trying to mimic the accepted process-flows in widely accepted BIM products like Revit and ArchiCAD.
check it out; i'll love to hear feedback!
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This is a really interesting topic. Here is our list relating to SU and BIM: http://www.sketchup2bim.com Please let us know if you have any suggestions for further inclusions. Thanks.
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Hi,
I would love to hear what you think about what I am doing with SketchUp for construction drawings:
Also check out my gallery: http://picasaweb.google.com/sketchupireland/ViewsionAspireArchitecturePortfolioDrawings?feat=directlink
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You guys might want to check out this thread,
Parametric Building Modeler Plugin
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=265&t=44766&start=0
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@mike lucey said:
You guys might want to check out this thread,
Parametric Building Modeler Plugin
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=265&t=44766&start=0
It is nuts, Mike!!! This is the beginning of a mega shift in software users IMO....
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Thanks for the plug, Mike!
Swing by the link and take a look at the plugin we are developing, especially if you have any interest in BIM, using SketchUp for BIM, or the possibility of a BIM alternative (as in a BIM software that does not cost thousands of dollars a seat).
I believe that the concept of BIM is a solid one, and that the industry will have to move that direction. I believe that one of the issues and reasons that it has not taken hold is due to the limitations of the tools (i.e. software) that is currently available. I think that it is entirely possible that SketchUp can be empowered to be the perfect platform to enable BIM moving forward. We are working on making that possibility a reality!
Thanks,
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@unknownuser said:
..., or the possibility of a BIM alternative (as in a BIM software that does not cost thousands of dollars a seat).
What are your goals concerning the cost per seat ?
Will it require a SketchUp Pro edition ??
Will there be a more than one edition (ie, Novice, Pro, etc.)
Are you planning to incorporate any extensibility that would allow 3rd party extensions to your BIM system ?
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Hi Aaron!
I'm also working on a BIM plugin for sketchup, check out:
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=34007
I just added a tutorial to highlight it's functionality!Development could be much more effective when all sketchup-BIM-developers are working together.
I'm interested in your answer to Dan's question, is your goal a free(open source?) tool?
If so, would you be interested in joining forces?
And if not so, maybe together we could make some "BIM-guidelines", so a wall in one plugin can be recognized as a wall in another plugin...
Maybe even share IFC-import/export...Cheers!
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@dan rathbun said:
What are your goals concerning the cost per seat ?
Will it require a SketchUp Pro edition ??
Will there be a more than one edition (ie, Novice, Pro, etc.)
Are you planning to incorporate any extensibility that would allow 3rd party extensions to your BIM system ?
Right now, we don;t have a set price, but we WILL have multiple levels of functionality, though, that is not set, either.
As of now, we don;t plan on making anything dependent on PRO, though I can see where having Layout would be ideal for this sort of work.
As of now, we are considering interfacing via a generic IFC format, but nothing is carved in stone.@brewsky said:
Hi Aaron!
I'm also working on a BIM plugin for sketchup, check out:
http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=323&t=34007
I just added a tutorial to highlight it's functionality!Development could be much more effective when all sketchup-BIM-developers are working together.
I'm interested in your answer to Dan's question, is your goal a free(open source?) tool?
If so, would you be interested in joining forces?
And if not so, maybe together we could make some "BIM-guidelines", so a wall in one plugin can be recognized as a wall in another plugin...
Maybe even share IFC-import/export...Cheers!
JanI have seen your work in the past and I have to say it is quite impressive! As much as several of us enjoy the spirit of open source, we are being payed by a company who will want a return on investment, so it will be secured software that will be sold. As for the "BIM-guidelines", we are using the IFC standards, right now. They are not complete and, I feel, will change in the future, but it is a start, and it is already gaining acceptance and following.
Again, thank you for your input and comments, we are very excited about this product and are looking forward to as much input as we can get from the members of SketchUcation!
Thanks,
Aaron
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