Hardware recommendations

rcossoli · 26 Nov 2008, 14:25

Hello everyone, I wanted to know if now that I will change my computer equipment should buy, the idea is to buy a Phenomx4 9600 with 4 GB of RAM and a video card GForce 512 or 1 gb memory. I have an Athlon 64x2 4800 with 2 GB of RAM and a video card GForce 7200 256.
is nothing more than to be used with SketchUp, and kerkythea, of course it also by other programs such as Vue, AutoCAD, PhotoShop, 3dMax and the like.
believe that this team well with the official SketchUp or have any particular recommendation?
greetings

Charlie__V · 22 Dec 2008, 19:20

From what I have read:
Intel i7 is a smart chipset, that will devote all of its power to one application...should that application demand it, providing it is the only [demanding] application running[otherwise it shares].

Would this be an accurate assesment of the i7?
Would this lessen the importance of GSU 7 & other apps to be multi core compatible?

Thanks,
Hardware Greenhorn,

C

remus · 22 Dec 2008, 23:07

Charlie, i think that is largely correct, although i dont think it can increase the clock speed on a single core enough to make a huge difference to SUs speed.

sk.lion · 31 Dec 2008, 05:40

Hey Guys, i'm looking for a new computer this week, since my old one is getting well... old. So i think it was about time for an upgrade, after all my existing computer only has 60GB HD lol. There is only one problem... i only want to be spending less than $1000 on it for now, with hopes of upgrade to a better one by the end of the year, or perhaps sooner. Regardless, some suggestions would be nice.

Thanks,

-Darcy Cardinal

j3nsen · 31 Dec 2008, 14:09

@chango70 said:

I believe that now the i7 Cores are released there is no reason other than cost to go AMD anymore. The benchmarks are amazing! The slowest i7 Core 920 is faster than the fastest last generation Quad (the QX9775)which is incredable! Plus they apparent can overclock relatively easily according to Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/). It was worth the wait. Now I am going to specify a system with the following hardware:

Intel Core i7-920 2.66Ghz
6Gb DDR3 Ram
WD velociRaptor 10000Rpm HD
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint 7200rpm HD
Asus P6T Desluxe Intel X58 Motherboard
Quadro FX 1700 Graphics Card

That should do the trick for modelling and rendering

Any improvement welcome.

WOAOW!!!

kwistenbiebel · 31 Dec 2008, 16:13

@j3nsen said:

@chango70 said:

I believe that now the i7 Cores are released there is no reason other than cost to go AMD anymore. The benchmarks are amazing! The slowest i7 Core 920 is faster than the fastest last generation Quad (the QX9775)which is incredable! Plus they apparent can overclock relatively easily according to Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/). It was worth the wait. Now I am going to specify a system with the following hardware:

Intel Core i7-920 2.66Ghz
6Gb DDR3 Ram
WD velociRaptor 10000Rpm HD
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint 7200rpm HD
Asus P6T Desluxe Intel X58 Motherboard
Quadro FX 1700 Graphics Card

That should do the trick for modelling and rendering

Any improvement welcome.

WOAOW!!!

Yeah well, a super rig like that won't do you any good when using Sketchup.
Sketchup will still perform like your grandmothers software.

I don't even understand we even have this thread going.
Sketchup 7 is the same slow bug splatting beast as SU 6, no matter what rig you have.
(SU crashes about 20 times a day on my 8 core PC on mildly complex models).

Sadly, there is absolutely no use in getting a monster PC to run Sketchup.
Period.

bigstick · 1 Jan 2009, 14:36

I'm inclined to agree. SU is not multi-core enabled, and as discussed elsewhere, there aren't too many benefits from making it multi-core. Graphics support is the most important thing though I think. Some cards give reasonable performance, others not. Get a good recommendation for one of these.

If you are buying a new PC, make sure its performance is tuned to your other apps, other than the proviso regarding graphics card support mentioned above.

Anssi · 1 Jan 2009, 14:47

For SU use I would at the moment put processor clock speed above the number of cores. If you are switching from a single-core Pentium IV you will not be happy unless the new CPU has the same or faster rate than your old one. Generally I would recommend speeds over 3 GHz.

Anssi

chango70 · 2 Jan 2009, 19:26

@kwistenbiebel said:

@j3nsen said:

@chango70 said:

I believe that now the i7 Cores are released there is no reason other than cost to go AMD anymore. The benchmarks are amazing! The slowest i7 Core 920 is faster than the fastest last generation Quad (the QX9775)which is incredable! Plus they apparent can overclock relatively easily according to Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/). It was worth the wait. Now I am going to specify a system with the following hardware:

Intel Core i7-920 2.66Ghz
6Gb DDR3 Ram
WD velociRaptor 10000Rpm HD
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint 7200rpm HD
Asus P6T Desluxe Intel X58 Motherboard
Quadro FX 1700 Graphics Card

That should do the trick for modelling and rendering

Any improvement welcome.

WOAOW!!!

Yeah well, a super rig like that won't do you any good when using Sketchup.
Sketchup will still perform like your grandmothers software.

I don't even understand we even have this thread going.
Sketchup 7 is the same slow bug splatting beast as SU 6, no matter what rig you have.
(SU crashes about 20 times a day on my 8 core PC on mildly complex models).

Sadly, there is absolutely no use in getting a monster PC to run Sketchup.
Period.

You are ofcourse absolutely right. However it does help out other applications like Rhino a great deal. I have to say there is a noticeable increase in ability to handle more complex geometry but it is still slow handling lots of high detail trees. I guess there is no getting around the fact that Sketchup IS a slow program...

linea · 3 Jan 2009, 05:49

@unknownuser said:

(SU crashes about 20 times a day on my 8 core PC on mildly complex models).

20 times a day?! Seriously? I have a Toshiba Satellite intel centrino dual core laptop, Nvidia Go 7600 card, 2 Gig of Ram. I'm not building high poly stuff but I build some fairly heavy models and only see a crash about once a week.

kwistenbiebel · 3 Jan 2009, 06:11

It does.
My modeling itself isn't always that high poly, but the extra props I introduce in my models (trees,furniture, etc...) and also the textures, make my files hugh in just a minute.
Also, I am using render software and Sketchup needs to do the export. On larger scenes, it will crash if you're not careful.

It is about what purpose you use Sketchup for.

brodie · 6 Jan 2009, 18:51

Kwist, out of curiosity what sort of file sizes are you talking about?

-Brodie

Charlie__V · 11 Jan 2009, 14:12

Hello all,
Anyone running an Nvidia GeForce 8700MGT with hardware acceleration enabled ?

I searched and found that an older driver for the 8800 allows for HA, but no such driver for the 8700.

EDIT:
Well for those interested....looks like I may have solved/answered my own question.
Seems I had a combination of option settings selected that were causing me grief.

In the Nvidia control panel I needed to have the image setting set to Let 3D app Decide

And in SU preferences....Open GL....Capabilities....use an option with Anti Alias set to 0x

SLI Enabled/Disableddoes not seem to make a difference.

Above settings are with Dell driver 176.78_Dec21_2008

TIA.....
best,
Charlie

Specs:
Dell
XPS M1730, Intel Core 2 Extreme X9000(2.8GHz, 800Mhz 6M L2 Cache)
NVIDIA SLI Dual GeForce 8700MGT with 512MB GDDR3
4GB, DDR2, 667MHz
320GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
OS: XP Pro SP3

robsc · 18 Jan 2009, 20:33

hi, all; I've just had good luck installing windows 7 on my computerputer and installing an Nvidia 9500 gt card. SU runs swell now, and I'd like to add my data to the aforementioned hardware survey. Unfortunately Windows7 beta is not one of the operating systems listed in the drop-down. Would the suthor please care to expand this menu so that i might further share this info? thanks, robsc

chango70 · 18 Jan 2009, 20:39

Is there a way for you to compare sketchup perfomance between windows 7 and Vista?

robsc · 18 Jan 2009, 22:58

i think the video card demonstrated the largest difference in performance, but my feeling is that win 7 is MUCH more stable than vista, and considerably faster. btw i did a clean install and it took not much more than 1 hour to accomplish robsc

chango70 · 21 Jan 2009, 05:18

Just done a quick test with my new i7 Core 920 CPU desktop (2.67GHz x 4 Stock overclocked to 3.00GHz x 4) running the same VRay rendering against my T9500 2.6GHz x2 Core Duo laptop.

i7 Cores managed to finish the rendering just under 3 minutes, while the Core duo took 14 minutes. Thats almost 5x the speed!!!

It turns out the multi threading on i7 Cores gets working as 2 cpus per core making VRay run like as if I had 8 cores.

Superb results, I recommend it to anyone.

chango70 · 21 Jan 2009, 05:19

I believe that now the i7 Cores are released there is no reason other than cost to go AMD anymore. The benchmarks are amazing! The slowest i7 Core 920 is faster than the fastest last generation Quad (the QX9775)which is incredable! Plus they apparently can overclock relatively easily according to Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/). It was worth the wait. Now I am going to specify a system with the following hardware:

Intel Core i7-920 2.66Ghz
6Gb DDR3 Ram
WD velociRaptor 10000Rpm HD
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint 7200rpm HD
Asus P6T Desluxe Intel X58 Motherboard
Quadro FX 1700 Graphics Card

That should do the trick for modelling and rendering

Any improvement welcome.

remus · 21 Jan 2009, 07:18

looks jealous

Gaieus · 21 Jan 2009, 09:07

I have a (fairly "old") Intel Pentium 4 processor in my laptop and it's 3.8 GHz but it was from the time when multi core was still in an experimental stage and this single core processor was made to be able to perform dual threading (I think this is called "hyperthreading" in the HW world). It's really handy because in fact it is a single core (with quite high clock speed) so SU can run at high speed on it but when it comes to applications which are capable of multi threading (ie. rendering), it works as a dual core.

First I didn't know this and I was surprised to see that in the Task manager I have two CPU's displayed and when rendering with IDX Renditioner, it was apparent that two different, independent sets of rows were being processed in the image at the same time.

I am not a HW guru so I learn something new every day.