Google Sketchup Pro 7 is out
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Beware to run as an administrator if you are in Vista¡
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Coen, it's hard not to be a critic when not even the toolbars where fixed.....
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My Top 5 prority list PLEASE! For get about anything else until these are met.
- speed, speed, speed.
- consistent clean up with lines and faces with less trial n error.
- handle high poly count.
- moi like functions for making irregular curvy shapes.
- fix shadow problem.
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Coen Naninck:
Coen please don't seem me as someone who is atacking you or others that are defending this version 7. I'm just trying to make a point and see the two sides of this discussion. I'm really interested in the article about V7 you're gonna do because has i always say the strongest thing about sketchup it's not the software but their comunity of users an i believe that i will learn more about this version with you and others than with sketchup team or website/suport (waht's happening with info about V7 in their site?). The last thing i wanted was making you think i was beeing disrespectfull with you or others.
But i also have to say to please don't see me as a newbie to sketchup or someone that don't understand the full power of their tools. 2 years ago i did this project http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5800&highlight=car+design and then share some tips and tricks how i did it in here http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5844&highlight=tips+tricks
This was 2 years ago...you can see that using sandbox tools "out of the box" and pushing the limitis of this software it's something i've been doing for some time now. So i now above all how it work and how it doesn't (when was the last time we used the "from contours" tool that didn't need to use after the "flip edge" tool?)This version 7 for me it's aimed for new users, people that start using sketchup like 1 year ago or so. They will love the new features and the new layout. For the pro users and hardcore modelers this a completly fail (for now) because none of the bugs and limitations of the software have been adressed. we just got a tool worth mentioning (the DC) that in some time from now we will find their limitations (and probably bugs) and will be another thing we will want to be fixed or updated...
So yes, i feel forgotten by the sketchup team...And now when we think that we'll probably have to wait another 2 years for the new version that it's not even sure that this problems will be coreected this time it starts to get scary...
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Coen, to say you would (n)EVER switch might want to be left as an open statement. If the development of Sketchup keeps going at this pace (2 years for a sorry attempt at a full release) there may no longer be support enough for Sketchup to continue! That was a joke so go easy!:)
In all reality, I think the only people who should complain are pro (paying) users. Not to say free version users should not have a voice but to demand things that are already your way free is wrong.
The fact that it can not handle high poly models is just wrong. Google gives us Sandbox which can get high poly on its own only to have sandbox choke ones pc to a halt. As an architectural modeler, my models get high poly quick and to have to separate out my model in chunks only because SU can not handle high poly is a joke. Every other modeler worth its weight is handling millions and millions of poly's and maybe choking, not SU........it chokes on hundreds of thousands! Come on!
Here is my idea for google.......hire Whaat and Fredo6 and lock them in a room for 12 months and see what sketchup would become! I have a good feeling it would be far better than what we are staring at now!!!
Will I buy the upgrade? Yes, only because I have to, not because I am excited to.
DONE!!!
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unfortunately, i find one cannot but agree with all the negative feedback, from the rational and balanced, to the emotional and upset. still one should also not fail to see the positives for what they are - and will be.
but for some users, sketchup is not just a modeller, or even a program - dare i say it is a LOVE relationship.
i am sure i'm not just speaking for long time users, remember? for many, it was love at first sight!
sketchup is special because it has somehow become an integral part of many lives and has made them better.i am not saying "the old days were better" - but there is this slight sense of betrayal - that the lover has not been considered, and that though the ruby masters have been a fantastic blessing for all of us (around the world) and google has also been making some amazing additions - one more bit of love is gone.....
let's hope some of this feedback will do just that - this program is a heck of a program! love
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Dacad,
Well imagine you have to model a few houses in SU. You model the shell of the house then whack in a few dynamic windows and doors, then whack a dynamic fence around the house. Compare that to having to individually model/adapt a window component for each window, and have to draw in a fencepost for each fences, id say thats a substantial amount of time saved in modelling.
In terms of usefulness when doing organic stuff, no it isnt useful, but then is subsmooth useful when your modelling a warehouse? It is just a tool, and you wont need to use it all the time.
When considering this feature i think its also important to consider Su's primary market of architects. The majority of whom will make extensive use of reusable components.
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I come forward to support the opinion that this is in no acceptable way a major release, since this new version totaly lacks any form of documentation (no don't tell me about the instructor), and/or solid Ruby API Documentation!
Give us something we can actually buy, to work and to play, to customize and enjoy!
Having me complaining all this much about the next release proves how much I want this... but I can't justify the cost to myself,... let alone my employer.Oooh!,... About Bonzai3D being a vaporware, I contacted the autodesys people this is the email!
@unknownuser said:
At 9:57 AM -0500 11/17/08, Georgios Petsagourakis wrote:
It has been suggested here that the Bonzai3D is vaporware,... please clarify.
Best Regards,...
George PetsagourakisDear George,
BonZai is progressing nicely (although it is taking a little longer to finalize the Beta version than we would like).
We hope to have the public Beta version released in the next month. If you have not done so already, we recommend signing up to be notified when this is released on the BonZai page:
Please let us know if you have any further questions.
Best Regards,
Paul Helm
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formZ Technical Support
autodessys, Inc.
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I think the key item that's been missing from this SU7 release is information. We've not known anything about what SU7 would bring. We've not known what direction Google is taking SU. We haven't heard anything about what issues the team focus on. We don't know what they are working on next. We don't know what issues didn't make it into SU7, but is slated for later release.
There's been a whole lot of nothing in regards to information, except that SU7 would be superduper, leaving a void that's built anticipation
I don't know how much under the hood is done. I don't know how much work had to the stability, I don't know how much had to be done to get parametric done.
That's why when I first heard of SU7 this weekend and I rushed to download and install it I was puzzled when I opened SU7. It was not as expected. I look back on the website to find changelog, but no detailed log exists. What I do see on the What's new page, http://sketchup.google.com/product/newin7.html is that Layouts list of new features are much longer. And when I try to look up detailed information on dynamic components I'm faced with "Under construction" messages. Fair enough, SU7 wasn't announced yet, but even now after the SU blog has announced SU7 the information is missing.
I know that the information will be up there shortly, but I'm just pointing it out to show that the flow of information has not been great across the whole line. Now, I do know that the SU team asked in the Ruby section for feedback, so I'm not oblivious to that fact. But on the whole, information is serverly missed. It feels like the information lock down Microsoft has been following in the past. But they have in fact improved greatly the last couple of years. Many Microsoft teams now have very interesting blogs that allows users insight to where the product is going and what are some of the challenges the teams are addressing. There's a very good visible dialogue there which I'm sorely missing here.
I'm changing my top wishlist from the SU team to be information. I'd just like to know what they are thinking, because I'm feeling that I'm not in tune at the moment.
That's been my 2 cents, with inflations interests. I finish of by thanking for SU7 and especially dynamic components (one of my top wishes). This thread can't be what you hoped to see as a reaction to years of hard work. It's easy to be critical and it's easy to forget the good parts. But this is an indication that we're not all on the same wavelength. None the less, the critics are also an indication that people care about the product. I for one find SU to be the best mesh modeller. Other modellers feels awkward now, and I've only used SU for a year.
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@cadfather said:
let's hope some of this feedback will do just that - this program is a heck of a program! love
Yes ¡
There is something I have noticed and it is that the name SketchUp comes first than Google in all the links to downloads and licenses.
maybe the change is coming
In any case now SketchUp is tidy and ready to grow if they want to.
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I use the free version of Sketchup and see this release as WAY disappointing. Crossing lines break automatically and being able to use, but not make dynamic components seems like the only real upgrades. Oh forgot the new blue icons, oooo! I use Sketchup for architectural modeling/rendering only, so I wasn't as high poly hopeful as most of you. I was hoping for better animations, rendering integration, some of the way cool rubies incorporated. I cant complain too much cause, hey, free!
Google just looks to be confused by what to do with Sketchup. Simple modeling for Google Earth looks to be their main priority. Their second area of focus seems to be people like me. Architects, Interior designers, furniture makers, landscape designers. A fast, easy to use modeling tool that lives up to the Sketch in Sketchup. They create products like Layout and Style builder. Which are nice for sketches but not nearly the post processing power needed for professional work. Their third user is the one that seems the most disappointed. Super modelers like silver_shadow, their models have shown us the true potential of this program. I'm afraid they will be the ones left out. Making a program that can live up to them might price the rest of us out. -
@thomthom said:
I think the key item that's been missing from this SU7 release is information. We've not known anything about what SU7 would bring. We've not known what direction Google is taking SU. We haven't heard anything about what issues the team focus on. We don't know what they are working on next. We don't know what issues didn't make it into SU7, but is slated for later release.
There's been a whole lot of nothing in regards to information, except that SU7 would be superduper, leaving a void that's built anticipation
I don't know how much under the hood is done. I don't know how much work had to the stability, I don't know how much had to be done to get parametric done.
That's why when I first heard of SU7 this weekend and I rushed to download and install it I was puzzled when I opened SU7. It was not as expected. I look back on the website to find changelog, but no detailed log exists. What I do see on the What's new page, http://sketchup.google.com/product/newin7.html is that Layouts list of new features are much longer. And when I try to look up detailed information on dynamic components I'm faced with "Under construction" messages. Fair enough, SU7 wasn't announced yet, but even now after the SU blog has announced SU7 the information is missing.
I know that the information will be up there shortly, but I'm just pointing it out to show that the flow of information has not been great across the whole line. Now, I do know that the SU team asked in the Ruby section for feedback, so I'm not oblivious to that fact. But on the whole, information is serverly missed. It feels like the information lock down Microsoft has been following in the past. But they have in fact improved greatly the last couple of years. Many Microsoft teams now have very interesting blogs that allows users insight to where the product is going and what are some of the challenges the teams are addressing. There's a very good visible dialogue there which I'm sorely missing here.
I'm changing my top wishlist from the SU team to be information. I'd just like to know what they are thinking, because I'm feeling that I'm not in tune at the moment.
That's been my 2 cents, with inflations interests. I finish of by thanking for SU7 and especially dynamic components (one of my top wishes). This thread can't be what you hoped to see as a reaction to years of hard work. It's easy to be critical and it's easy to forget the good parts. But this is an indication that we're not all on the same wavelength. None the less, the critics are also an indication that people care about the product. I for one find SU to be the best mesh modeller. Other modellers feels awkward now, and I've only used SU for a year.
Totally agree - great post
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Well, after that post on more information, I find this: http://sketchup.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=115424&cbid=-bksd1fzknpy&src=cb&lev=answer and three YouTube clips on how to makes DC's...
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I agree that dynamic components is a good addition but what else is new in SketchUp?
(I'm not talking Layout since I have absolutly no use of it.)
I havent seen any new features list yet so what else is new exept from minor UI changes?I'm not that shocked by the lack of bugfixes and core changes to SketchUp since I kind of expected it to be like this, but I am really sad that they havent listened to what we wanted.
Hi poly support.
Multi core.
Shadow bug fixed.
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great,.. we got the new hyper-announcement promoting Sketchup 7 blatantly, and guess what,.. we can't post to disagree with things like
@mike lucey said:
I think Layout has now grown up and will be adopted by many
professionals with a need to communicate their design ideas
to clients.
Snap out of it ,... only a fraction of people use Layout, (and will ever use it) people need editing freedom that Layout can't provide!
I still have not seen a proper layout presentation, in the years since the first release of Layout, but I've seen many more that a couple using the CAD->Sketchup->Photoshop workflow, that include character, wow-factor, and individuality. I never managed to see Layout in this picture or produce these outcomes as much as I tried.PS: I'd be very positive about this release if it weren't to cost me anything to upgrade.
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Complete list of new features is now up
http://sketchup.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=115424
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@unknownuser said:
great,.. we got the new hyper-announcement promoting Sketchup 7 blatantly, and guess what,.. we can't post to disagree with things like...
Might i enquire as to what you were posting about there, if not to disagree.
@unknownuser said:
Snap out of it ,... only a fraction of people use Layout, (and will ever use it) people need editing freedom that Layout can't provide!
I still have not seen a proper layout presentation, in the years since the first release of Layout, but I've seen many more that a couple using the CAD->Sketchup->Photoshop workflow, that include character, wow-factor, and individuality. I never managed to see Layout in this picture or produce these outcomes as much as I tried.I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss layout, especially for a more technical level of presentation.
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@pixero said:
@unknownuser said:
New Ruby APIs have been added.
Anyone found out what they are?
The only thing I found is this which leads to nowhere...
http://code.google.com/more/#products-apis-sketchupI'd suggest going to the What's New in this Release page and answer 'No' in the 'Was this information helpful?' bit at the end with the excuse that 'It's unclear'!
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Remus, even with the advancements Layout is a toy. My architecture students have nearly universally preferred Google Docs' simple "Presentation" application to Layout for any number of perfectly valid reasons besides simple stability, and no firm I have worked with uses anything less than Illustrator or InDesign for formal document preparation or Powerpoint or Flash for presentation.
The manpower/hours should have been spent on the core application.
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