Perhaps they are waiting for a ‘quot. impulsion’ from me!?

Cornel

A simple deduction… about “that dear Jesus”:

In The Old Testament, it’s written about Jehovah (IHVH in Latin, YHWH in English):
“The LORD our God, the LORD is one.” (Deuteronomy 6:4)
In New Testament it’s written that there ar only “One Lord and one faith” (Ephesians 4:5) that are true.

Who is that Lord?!
Voila the enigma:
“… there is God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (1 Corinthians 8:5)

The Bible tells us that “everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved” (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 & Romans 10:13)

What is the resulting conclusion?!:
Who calls on the name of Jesus Christ shall be saved!

Cornel

Besides advantages (using 3dconnexion space navigator) that were already explained above by others, I want to add other two:

1. Meanwhile building or editing (w/ the mouse), I navigate (w/ space navigator), especialy in large models: simultaneous actions.

2. ‘Space navigator’ is much more useful than the mouse for screen capturing (using a program such as Camtasia Studio) a walk-thruogh or fly-by animation.

Cornel

Yes, Jakob,
“that dear Jesus had some fun”:

Jesus Christ went about all the cities and villages, teaching and proclaiming the Good News (the Gospel) of the God’s kingdom and curing all kinds of disease and every weakness and infirmity.

People brought Him all who were sick, those afflicted with various diseases and torments, those under the power of demons, and epileptics, and paralyzed guys, etc., and He healed them.
"It is more blessed to give than to receive!"

Jesus replied to those who weren’t sure if He is Messiah, The Son of God, to look to his work, to see that the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed (by healing) and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up and the poor have The Word of God preached to them.

Beside that Jesus mentioned:
“Blessed (happy, fortunate) is he who takes no offense at Me and finds no cause for stumbling in or through Me and is not hindered from seeing the Truth”.

Cornel

1. Chango wrote:
   “ Plenty of things were wrong in Jesus's life time, foreign occupation, social and political injustice, marginalisation of whole sector of society, corruption, misuse of power to name just a few.”

…, but my question was: “What was wrong in Jesus life?”
(not in Jesus life time…)

2. Mike put me a question regarding which languages I know.
   I know more than many, but I prefer to be reproached…
   (to become a proverb…) only in English!

Guys,
I’m not a member of any church, theological club, spiritual association, transcendental group or other kind of religious or mystical organiation, so, be patient about your convertion! I’m not dangerous - I’m not a traditionalist and I have no preconceptions.

Rumors!?!
Be serious and responsible! It’s your personal need and interest to become a born again person, I have no a trap for you…!

Human ‘heart’ is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Only God.
Because of that, a wise person, will try to obtain a better will than his/her will… How come?!
It is God which worketh in us both to will and to do. A free will must be applicative, not only an ‘aesthetic’ think. Without God we can do nothing, for in Him we live, and move, and have our being.
Be prepared to meet God! Are you in peace whith Him?!
No one can approach to living God, The Father, but by living Jesus Christ, His Son; He is both, the ‘way’ and the ‘door’: by Jesus if any person enter in, he/she shall be saved.

Hurry up!
...while it is said TODAY; if you will hear His voice, harden not your heart!
Tomorow, (even next minute) is not ours…!

Cornel,
(one who received plenty of God’s mercy.)

Pete wrote:
"What on earth are you talking about? Since when is it proven? who proved it? where is this proof?"

There were written tons of serious and laborious books demonstrating that the Bible is indeed the Word of Living God. Besides that, on Internet, using search machine, is very easy to find titles, articles, comments, etc.
Initially, I started from the premise that all of you are already documented about those elementary things. I was wrong, because majority of you had no time and interest for that.

On the other side, The Scripture is autoexplicative, and you can find the True only by reading and re-reading The Word of God. Who has no a hard copy of it, can find The Bible online.
There aren’t excuses from anybody that he/she had no access to enough information.

Considering above ‘points’, I will not be involved in all ABCs!

Susan,
Please, re-read my posts! They were on the topic.

My points were (a concise extract):

1. Whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved, not free.
2. God knows everything about us. He knows what is the best way to obtain the real freedom.
3. Humans have relative truth. We have to know the absolute truth, and that Truth will set us free.
4. I asked if “the free will” is part of “the soul” or of “the spirit”, but no answer…
5. I presented that the soul is different than the spirit, and animals have no spirit.
6. I mentioned that atheists cannot explain part of “the soul” and “the entire spirit” .
7. The nonspiritual person is not able to understand God's works because they are spiritually discerned."
8. Our will is the result of how we are “wired”, spiritual or nonspiritual.
9. Be careful, there are philosophers and speculant scientists! See to them that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy!
10. Physical processes are based on spirituals, not vice-versa! The ‘spiritual world’ determines the ‘material world’.
11. Do not nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition!
12. Miscellaneous, based on others questions.

Cornel

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

Regards,
Cornel

1. Chango wrote:
   “…the price of consistence is DOGMA (Bible quoting by our very own Cornel is one fine example).”

No, Chango,
it’s not a “dogma”, it’s just a ‘habit’. To be dogmatic, I have to be characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles. I use The Word of God because it’s proved, trusted and unghangeable.
How are your words, Chango?! Tomorrow, with conventional large smile you are able to tell me: sorry Cornel, I changed my mind…!

2. Chango wrote:
   “Jesus was the original non-conformist. A social revolutionary not willing to accept the status quo. This fact seem to be lost on the Christian Church who became the status quo. Cornel don't let some silly deciple of Jesus cloud your judgement about him. Ignore what they SAY look at what Jesus DID in his life. Its not hard to see he is closer to Che Guevara than the Pope.”

My questions: A) What was wrong in Jesus life?! B) Jesus must be closer to the Pope or vice-versa?!

3. …because I ‘said’before:
   “. Regarding Karen Armstrong she's superficial and tendentious! Her religious Books and speeches are ‘perfumed’ and loaded with traditionalism, ethics, and ecumenism. It’s a masked socialism, widely used in the strategy of globalization.”

Chango wrote:
“ Mike, Karen Armstrong is a fantastic scholar on World religion. I read her seminal book on Islam and She is able to contextualize origins of the religion without expressly making judgement better than anyone else I've come across …”

Chango,
I read a lot, during many decenniums, about religion and philosophy. I recommend you to study (to compare...)complete works of at least an author such as Mircea Eliade (30 years as director of History of Religions department at the University of Chicago). Behold a partial list of his works:

The Quest: History and Meaning in Religion;
A History of Religious Ideas, vol. I, From the Stone Age to the Eleusinian Mysteries;
A History of Religious Ideas, vol. II, From Gautama Buddha to the Triumph of Christianity;
The History of Religious Ideas, vol. III, From Muhammad to the Age of the Reforms;
Encyclopedia of Religion (seventeen volumes)
Patterns in Comparative Religion;
The Sacred and the Profane: The Nature of Religion;
Myths, Dreams and Mysteries: the Encounter between Contemporary Faiths and Archaic Realities;
Images and Symbols: Studies in Religious Symbolism;
Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy;

Cornel

Chango & Mike,

1. At first, the ‘spiritual world’ determines the ‘material world’.
   Look to life of Jesus Christ! Continuously, spirituals were first, and materials were resulted…
   There isn’t a true liberty, without a spiritual freedom going before it!

A person which knows ABOUT God isn’t a spiritual one. To be spiritual a person must know God, must be intimate with God, must communicate with God!

2. Regarding Karen Armstrong she's superficial and tendentious! Her religious Books and speeches are ‘perfumed’ and loaded with traditionalism, ethics, and ecumenism. It’s a masked socialism, widely used in the strategy of globalization.

Do you know Jesus Christ position about traditionalism?!
Voila an example:
“… Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition..” (Matthew 15:6).
(See also other locations such as: Matthew 15:2-3; Mark 7:5, 7:8-9; Galatians 1:14; Colossians 2:8.)

Cornel

Rousing from "TED"...

(Take one free, to receive other two versions, gratis!) - Colossians 2:8:

“See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world…”

“Take heed lest there shall be any one that maketh spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world…”

“See that no one shall be carrying you away as spoil through the philosophy and vain deceit, according to the deliverance of men, according to the rudiments of the world…

It’s wasting time to listen a philosopher and a speculant scientist like Dan Dennett!
…A lot of noise…, for nothing! Perhaps some atheists can aford to have ‘fan’ w/ a ‘fanfaronade’.
By his intelligence, D.D. magnetizes immediate a lot of people.
Poor D.D.! He tries to explain spiritual ‘things’, based on physical processes …
Vice-versa is logic and simple...
To be intelligent, doesn’t mean to be wise!!

Cornel

Pete,
that passage:
"but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."
…sounds interesting, bat the meaning is different..; being out of context, appears to be alterated!

Pretinse text of 1 Corinthians 13:9-11 is (in one Bible version):
“For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.”

More precisely, which is in partwill be done away.
Besides that, "perfection" isn't identical w/ "perfect"...!

Cornel

Mike & Susan,

I’m giving you only my partial ‘skeleton’... I have no time for details or stories.
(I don’t know how curious are you...and, besides that, I’m an old ‘collectionist’...)

I lived in different kind of countries (Popular/Republic, Socialist/Communist, Capitalist/Imperialist) and continents.
I know several languages, English is the fifth.

I have two masters (Architecture and Urban Planning), several related majors (Interior Design/Decorations, Interior Architect & Industrial Design) plus two majors in Fine Arts (Picture & Sculpture). I worked also, temporary, or part time in paralel w/ main activity, in many other total different ‘fields’.

Programs:
CAD: I’m expert in Cadvance, DataCad, Architectural Desktop, proficient in Vectorworks, Archicad, familiar w/ Revit, Allplan, Solidworks, Rhino, etc.
Modeling/Rendering: SketchUp, 3D Studio Max, Accurender, Artlantis , Piranesi., etc
Photo editind & painting: Graphic Suites of Adobe and Corel, Paint 3D, etc
Miscellaneous: tens of other important programs and utilities.

Sports: Soccer, Martial Arts, Acrobatics, Alpinism, Deltaplane etc.

Is this list enough for this ‘sesion’?
"Just curious!" (my turn..)

Cornel

Susan,
I’m w/ SU forum since SU v.3 and I was involved inclusive in “tehnicals”, (especialy
in former forum), but now, there are a lot of specialists, dedicated and prompt, willing to share their experience. My time is very limited (projects, consulting, library, grand children, etc.)

Stinkie,
To be “preciselly’, start w/ those:
Romans 7:5, 7:18-25, 8:3, 8:20, 13:4,
1 Corinthians 2:14, 15:44-46; 2 Corinthians 10:2-3, 11:8
Galatians 3:3, 5:13-17, 5:24, 6:8
Colossians 2:13, etc.
It’s easy to use ‘Bible online’ because you can switch to different Bible versions (or diff. languages), or change passages. Very helpful also is the keyword search machine…

Cornel

Mike,

1. My Bible is The Word of God, I'm sure about that, because:
   “For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” (Hebrews 4:12)
   ...and because:
   “…the word of the Lord remains forever.” (1 Peter 1:25)
   ... and because It's true (John 17:17)

2. Re. your questions:
   “Do animals have free will?.... Are we not animals also?”

No, we aren’t…
Not only the bestiality is a separative criterion…!

Cornel

Stinkie,
You didn’t follow my advice to see Bible contexts of terms such “nonspiritual man” or “a beastly man”…! Using a ‘search machine’ or a ‘concordance’, you can find many instances of them and you will be elucidated!

Susan,
I’m not fanatic, masochist, machiavellist, ‘under burden’, “dour and sad”, etc. and I have more than enough fun, but I cannot aford to alterate God’s Word.
For example I cannot name a sin as: a mistake, a defect, an imperfection, an inconvenient, etc. Why?!:
“For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

Tomsdesk,
I’m wondering if “This explains a lot!”, because, at first, we have to clarify Jesus Christ included expression: “on my account”.

Pete & Ron,
Faith is a belief with proof. (…not subtle…). Just an example:
“… and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” (Malachi 3:10)

Cornel

Yes Mike, you are right,
Jesus Christ “had a good sense” for everything… but majorities, seeing a text like this:

"Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad….” (Matthew 5:11-12)

,… they won't understand…

It's a kind of "magic" joy, Solo!

Cornel

You are right, Susan,
“we are the result of how we are wired”, spiritual or nonspiritual:

“Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” (Galatians 5:19-23)

Eric,
You can’t see that paradox because of an interposed 'ilusive free will'!

Cornel
P.S. (re.‘chemistry’): Alchemists were 'avaporated' long time ago… Sorry for this inconvenient!

Eric,
per your request,

Voila versions of expression “the natural man”,
from different English translations of The Bible:

“nonspiritual man”,
“people who aren’t spiritual”,
“the sensual man”,
“a beastly man”.

Using 'Bible online' you can see those contexts...!
(1 Corinthians 2:14)

Cornel