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    • L Offline
      L i am
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      It is way beyound that Mike. Geoffrey Hinton one of the fathers of machine learning stated they do not know how machine learning does the deep end of the proscess of machine learning. Naively I thought I was safe to a degree as I am in a creative field, I thought conputers would never be creative, how wrong was I. Writers in the US just came off a prottracted strike because scripwriters wer being made redundant by AI.

      I typed in " a snake made of corn near a bin in Laverton wa" on my phone in 4 seconds I got this

      su.jpg

      I have looked into AI in some depth and it has turned a corner in just a few months and the change is rapid I cannot stress that enough.

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      • L Offline
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        Just did this "render" and it took about 3 mins that included finding an AI platform I have not used before signed in typed "very realistic image of a concrete minimalist courtyard with a refletion pool a single beutifull tree" In about 8 seconds I got this image.

        LS.jpg

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        • pilouP Offline
          pilou
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          You can make this since 6 months... ๐Ÿ˜„

          Frenchy Pilou
          Is beautiful that please without concept!
          My Little site :)

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            pilou
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            ...
            and the more incredible is the possible infinite "Out Painting" in 4 directions ! ๐Ÿ˜„

            Here with the free Online Ai Fusion Brain... just "architecture" as prompt, No Style...
            It has direct Out/In Painting... ๐Ÿค“
            in general 5 seconds the added frame ... so here 8 x 5 = 40 seconds...

            out.jpg

            Frenchy Pilou
            Is beautiful that please without concept!
            My Little site :)

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            • L Offline
              L i am
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              Sorry mate but I did not undertasd your post. I have been using AI for 12 hours

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              • pilouP Offline
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                No problem! ๐Ÿ˜„

                OutPainting is this!

                Frenchy Pilou
                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                My Little site :)

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                  pilou
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                  Why Fusion Brain ? It's the more easy ! No headache, no tones of options! โ˜€
                  Direct Out/In painting !
                  (InPainting is for example erase a wheel for ask another one model or erase a character on a background)

                  In this particular Fusion Brain...
                  you have an infinite screen of work... so ...
                  you have any number of images on the screen
                  but we can't move directly an "calculated" image(s) so...

                  FusionB.jpg

                  Frenchy Pilou
                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                  My Little site :)

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                    pilou
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                    from the above, image 1/1 but today you can increase at x 16 (with even better result) if you want with some other ai... ๐Ÿ˜‰
                    A free local one : upscayl

                    https://images2.imgbox.com/65/99/C8lCkvjH_o.jpg

                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                      pilou
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                      InPainting

                      https://images2.imgbox.com/5b/e3/OmDqRUuF_o.gif

                      Original on the left + above reloaded and In/Outpainting again ๐Ÿ˜„

                      https://images2.imgbox.com/e5/21/eDTlqq8j_o.jpg

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • L Offline
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                        Hey Frenchy, thanks for that, but I havee been cramming AI for the last 24 hours. I see not much response from other forum members on this subject, and I absulutely and completely understand. All the skills that we have acumulated over many years now seems wasted. It is simply a matter of getting on the train or not. I think not embracing AI it is a bad plan for ne. AI will enevitably and completely make conventional modelling and rendering redundant, horse and buggy stuff. Even more exiting than my discovery of sketchup in 2004. Prior to that discovery I spent time as a physical moddel maker using polystyrene sheets, balsa, car putty and paint and not missing it ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                        • pilouP Offline
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                          Yep a new technology very divisive because of the borrowing of images without permission at the beginning and then its power and speed of its effectiveness!
                          Good luck in this new world...if you want any tips on Fusion Brain or others don't hesitate! โ˜€

                          Frenchy Pilou
                          Is beautiful that please without concept!
                          My Little site :)

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                          • Rich O BrienR Offline
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                            Natural stupidity frightens me more than artificial intelligence.

                            The sad part is that we like to share our accomplishments to garner feedback from peers. This is then used to train AI models. A very grey area.

                            The thing that AI lacks is the ability to provide the client feedback or make suggestions based on experience. Or even find workarounds to achieve desired results.

                            I think that person to person exchange on project work is still not under immediate threat.

                            Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp ๐Ÿ“–

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                              These chat AIs are easily fooled...

                              https://i.imgur.com/qsFWx8t.png

                              Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp ๐Ÿ“–

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                              • gullfoG Offline
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                                no worries.


                                3ca072e7db0fb9ae8af4026d0760831836c2369250de53fba747ec50484a8730_1.jpg

                                Glenn

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                                • L Offline
                                  L i am
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                                  Well I started my voyage into AI and found it lacking for my needs. I think it would be great for initial concepts, but it fell well short with my experiments. I think it would also be very good for ideation.

                                  Below is an image I painstakingly created a while ago with SU, TM and a bit of post pro. Then the consecutive images are images created with AI with an SU model as the base. I think AI is a developing baby, and my prompting skills are flawed with my lack of experince with the platform. To what degree I do not know yet.

                                  With fog small for SKP.jpg

                                  2023-11-02 19-16-54 - cabin in the woods with large windows, during rain, tall grass and forrest, bullrush reeds along the.jpg

                                  2023-11-02 19-36-29 - modern design with large windows, timber building, during autumn, on a lake shore, with large rocks_.jpg

                                  2023-11-02 19-43-59 - modern design with large windows, interior lights, timber building on the edge of a lake, , during w.jpg

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                                  • Mike AmosM Offline
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                                    Wow, fanta tastic images. Blows my mind mate. ๐Ÿ‘Š

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                                    • Rich O BrienR Offline
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                                      Where is that little black road going? AI amazes and confuses in equal amounts.

                                      I think the best application to ML right now is image denoising. Rayscaper is a good example of it in action.

                                      This AI prompt based stuff is bizarro world

                                      Download the free D'oh Book for SketchUp ๐Ÿ“–

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                                      • L Offline
                                        L i am
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                                        @gullfo said:

                                        no worries.

                                        Maybe, maybe not,gullfo.

                                        What about if the AI prompt is, as I have said before "reverse engineer Sketchup and develop a similar product with the same functionality that will not contravene intellectual property rights" I do not think in the near future that will be too much of a stretch.

                                        Like in the case of deep fake, the process. It is not one artificial intelligenceย agent It is done with 2 neural networks pitted against one another with an AI manager agent being a mediator.ย ย 
                                        As far as Architecture there are already AI products in use with Human Architects being the interface between the client and the AI process. This tech is in its infancy.ย 
                                        Fromย what I have read Law,ย  Architecture and Admin are amongst the first to be displaced if my source is correct.

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                                        • L Offline
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                                          @rich o brien said:

                                          Where is that little black road going? AI amazes and confuses in equal amounts.

                                          I think the best application to ML right now is image denoising. Rayscaper is a good example of it in action.

                                          This AI prompt based stuff is bizarro world
                                          absolutely!

                                          "Where is that little black road going?"
                                          Who knows? some are exited and many are scared, Elon Musk says it is a thing that keeps him awake at night and "A man widely seen as the godfather of artificial intelligence (AI) has quit his job, warning about the growing dangers from developments in the field. Geoffrey Hinton, 75, announced his resignation from Google in a statement to the New York Times, saying he now regretted his work."

                                          Dont forget AI has already read the "art of war" will I trust it when it tells us it is of no harm to the human race by from AI? Would it even let us know when it is sentient and comes across as benign, until it is not ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ‘Ž Just pondering

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                                          • L Offline
                                            L i am
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                                            @mike amos said:

                                            Wow, fanta tastic images. Blows my mind mate. ๐Ÿ‘Š

                                            Cheers Mike but I must point out whislt some are aluring they are not what I wanted, my control was very limited and it was only a trial so "Seed" functions (where prompts can modify an existing AI render) were unavailable to me. So my thought about my experiment were....yeh.....nah....maybe ๐Ÿ˜‰ But this tech is very very young

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