Construction Methods In France Questions
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I'm going to be making one of my azumaya designs for someone in Cannes France. What a headache for me to do it all in metric! Plus I have no idea what timber sizes they can get over there or the post to beam connectors they use.
Can anyone help? Maybe with a link to a website showing timber dimensions available in the South of France? How about the post to beam connectors?
What I usually use is
6x6" Posts 13.97 x 13.97cm,
6x8 Beams 13.97 x 18.73cm,
2x6 Rafters 3.81 x 13.97this is a similar design here but the one in France will be enclosed
https://woodsshop.com/Azumaya/16x20/16x20.htmThese are the connectors I'd use but then I live in California with our strict earthquake codes.
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6x6"
6x8"
2x6"These translate directly into "EU" sizes [some use mm some use cm]
150x150mm - 15x15cm
150x200mm - 15x20cm
50x150mm - 5x15cmHowever, in the USA you probably specify a 'nominal size' ?
So your 6" is probably actually a 5 7/8" or 5 3/4", or even less ?It's the same in the EU where 'regularized' timber is usually specified when a definite width is needed.
Since any given timber-mill might produce varying widths you can't trust just saying "nom 50mm" as it'll likely be ± a few mm from that nominal size.
So you must say it's to be "regularized" at perhaps exactly 44mm [they will then plane a few mm off a "nom 50mm" section if needed].
OR you could specify it to be regularized from the next standard size up - since the standard step from 50mm is 63mm [then 75mm etc] to get a regularized 50mm seems to waste a lot of wood !You need to establish what's available locally.
If they can economically regularize down to say 52mm then your 2" is all but equivalent ! -
Yeah Tig I've asked him what sizes he can get, haven't heard back yet. Our 6x6 are actually 5.5" x 5.5", 6x8 are 5.5" x 7.5".
how about the post to beam connectors, do they even use those there?
what French search terms would I use to search for a lumber (timber) yard in Cannes?
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There are similar timber connectors used across the EU, just like your showed.
But most of France is not that seismically active.
But using such connectors wouldn't hurt at all !
Their house might fall down but your gazebo will stand !Obviously in the USA your nominal:actual sizes lose -1/2" - in the EU it's more likely -6mm [-1/4"] - our timber is more scarce and expensive, and our planers more precise ? !
You need to get your Cannes client to confirm what finished timber sizes are available locally...
"Please conform what regularized timber sizes are available locally: 5cm to 20cm inclusive"
"Veuillez vous conformer aux tailles de bois régularisées disponibles localement: 5cm à 20cm inclus" -
Good Info Tig! How about those search terms, if you speak French?
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cour à bois à Cannes France?
chantier bois à Cannes France?
what do they call places that sell lumber / timber?
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Perhaps: http://www.englishspoken.info/English_Info_Results6.php?Department=France:96&Trade=Shops/Suppliers/Dealers
http://services.completefrance.com/forums/completefrance-forums/cs/forums/2695420/ShowPost.aspx
http://www.granvillebois.com/index.htmlRemember that in English-English it's not called "Lumber", it's Timber or Wood...
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Oh right on Tig some very good links!
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@unknownuser said:
What a headache for me to do it all in metric!
It's nothing compare of the inverse for us!
it's follish to use imperial unities in the 21 century!
Remember Mars climate orbiter cost!
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@unknownuser said:
what do they call places that sell lumber / timber?
a sawmill ? = une scierie
or any building materials distributor = distributeur de matériaux de construction
@unknownuser said:
But most of France is not very seismically active.
Yes but Cannes is like San Fransisco! Near by the sea and inside a seismic zone!
We are waiting a big one too! Earthquake or Tsunami or both in the same time!
See what append year after year in Italy!
A famous French volcanologist Haroun Tazieff has predicted that!
Cannes - Nice 34 kms !
From this Map : Cannes is on orange zone = moderated seismicity
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Yes I agree, I wish I was brought up using metric, would make it a lot easier to do all the calculations carpenters need to make!
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@pilou said:
@unknownuser said:
What a headache for me to do it all in metric!
It's nothing compare of the inverse for us!
it's follish to use imperial unities in the 21 century!
Remember Mars climate orbiter cost!
Could not agree more. In my early school days Australia was imperial but changed to metric in about 1975 so I have a perspective on the subject. I was originally a firefighter and 1 ft of water had a head of 0.433 pounds per square inch. cubic foot (62.4 lb/ft3); dont get me started
1 cubic meter of water weighs 1 tonne. All of a sudden fire-ground hydraulics could be done in your head by moving decimal points.Three countries on the entire planet which are not using the metric system are Liberia, Myanmar and of course… the United States of America
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What do you call posts and beams in the UK, and when you talk about wall and floor framing do you use 'framing'?
how about in France, Poteaux et poutres?
floor framing in France, charpente du plancher?
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You misunderstood my question Pilou.
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Poteaux = Vertical
Poutres = Horizontal or inclinedfloor framing = l'ossature du plancher, la structure du plancher, le support du plancher...la charpente du plancher
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Sure!
Poteaux / Poutres ?
An image can better explain than a text! -
This is floor framing
this is wall framing
and these are the posts and beams
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My questions are
What do you call posts and beams in France, Poteaux et poutres?
and floor framing, charpente du plancher ?
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Ok! So what is the question(s) ?
If this exist also in France ?Put "ossature bois" inside google research image!
"plancher à ossature bois"
"charpente à ossature bois"
"mur à ossature bois" -
Affirmative!
Post = Poteau (un poteau, le poteau)
Beam = Poutre (une poutre, la poutre)floor framing = l'ossature du plancher, la structure du plancher...la charpente du plancher!
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