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    • ntxdaveN Offline
      ntxdave
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      @baz said:

      @Dave: I think you are outvoted here. The point being the 'Process' belongs to me/you. The client is paying for the output only. Of course if you were on salary, with all the benefits that go with that, different story,

      Yes, I see I am outvoted........that is the arrangement I have with the people I do my drawing for. No contract, just the way we work. I am a retired guy and the hours are not very many. Not only have I shared the skp's with them but they have shared with another company (not a competitor nor in the same area). But I fully respect the other opinions. 😎

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      • JQLJ Offline
        JQL
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        The fact is that with a 2D they can't do much. It's very useful for some stuff but... come on. It's flat!

        With 3D they can:

        • Output 2D;
        • 3D Print;
        • Render Stills and commercials;
        • Render animations;
        • Show to their clients;
        • Insert on 3rd party models;
        • And so on...

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        • bazB Offline
          baz
          last edited by

          @jql said:

          The fact is that with a 2D they can't do much. It's very useful for some stuff but... come on. It's flat!

          With 3D they can:

          • Output 2D;
          • 3D Print;
          • Render Stills and commercials;
          • Render animations;
          • Show to their clients;
          • Insert on 3rd party models;
          • And so on...

          Interesting... I wonder whether there is any way to make my files 'flat' before passing them over. Plugin/Flatery perhaps?

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          • HornOxxH Offline
            HornOxx
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            Hi - this is an interesting topic and obviously we all have made our experiences πŸ˜‰

            the question always is: what has the customer ordered and for what does he pay?
            For me it is usually the pure image - either rendered visualizations or view plans or ground plans etc... This is the usually mandated range of services for me and that is exactly what I deliver.
            For render tasks, as a service, I mostly prepare a proof (a simple version created with little effort) to verify the look, the materials, the light, the deco etc. This proof I send to the customer as a pdf so that he can give me a go or can express his wishes or changes - these he must always give me in written form.

            So nothing else has been agreed, for all cases applies: the used software and the created file is and remains the instrument only, with which you have created the visualization which is the ordered product usually. The customer who ordered a painted portrait does not get the used brushes. The one who ordered firewood does not get the ax or saw of the forest worker...

            never trust a skinny cook

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            • ntxdaveN Offline
              ntxdave
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              I must admit my circumstances are probably different than most of you. The company I do the work for pas for Sketchup ad the laptop I use for the work. Therefore, I feel that they are paying me for my time and the ability to use the software and as such everything belongs to them. If I were an independent contractor doing work for others as well, I would probably feel differently. Believe me, I fully understand how you all feel and can support you 100%.

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              • JQLJ Offline
                JQL
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                @ntxdave said:

                Therefore, I feel that they are paying me for my time and the ability to use the software and as such everything belongs to them.

                That makes no sense... they pay you for a service and you provide it... that's it. Nothing else belongs to them.

                In fact "All your base are belong to us!"

                Are you working on their computer? Did you use the money they pay you to buy a computer? Will you give back your computer to them?

                Have you been learning something while working for them? They payed you to provide a service and that service requires a specific knowledge in order to be created. By that train of thought, it's only fair that you give them the knowledge back and empty your head after the service has been provided. πŸ˜‰

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                • ntxdaveN Offline
                  ntxdave
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                  @jql said:

                  Are you working on their computer? Did you use the money they pay you to buy a computer? Will you give back your computer to them?

                  As I said, yes the computer is theirs (they bought it) and they pay for the software. As I said, I think my situation is rather unique and I fully understand/appreciate the position you and others are taking. πŸ˜„

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                  • HornOxxH Offline
                    HornOxx
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                    @ntxdave said:

                    ...As I said, I think my situation is rather unique...

                    ... not so unique I think. Also for us (in the company) there is a fixed staff of freelancers who are equipped with pc and software from us and each with an agreed minimum budget per year. These people create - we call it "corrections" - for us. So our arrangement with these people is similar to what you describe. And of course it is the raw data (= corrections) that we need to apply our designs on...
                    Here of course the files belongs to us although we play the role of the customer here ...

                    never trust a skinny cook

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                    • JQLJ Offline
                      JQL
                      last edited by

                      Sorry ntxdave and HornOxx, didn't understand fully. However the idea of giving back your head sounded funny enough and makes a point for Baz scenario.

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                      • Bryan KB Offline
                        Bryan K
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                        It would actually depend on your copyright laws, where you do business and if you are an employee or contractor.

                        First you must look at the copyright laws in the country you are doing business. Then determine your employment status based on those laws.

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                          Charlie__V
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                          Baz,
                          Something else to be mindful of is how to protect yourself from unauthorized changes to your models or your work.
                          (If/after release of .skp/dwg/other)

                          Charlie

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