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    • RichardR 離線
      Richard
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      So a client has employed a local marketing company to help them. The marketing gurus suggested that rather than the range of B&W background images I've been producing, that all works should be in full colour for maximum impact. So this is then what they are running with!

      Talk about people settling for crap!

      ADAPTIVE.jpg

      Original Render

      ADAPTIVE-FORMAL-MAIN.jpg

      BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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      • Bob JamesB 離線
        Bob James
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        Richard your original is Great! Did you make composite color/grey in PhotoShop?

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        • PixeroP 離線
          Pixero
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          Your original render is much better. 👍
          I can imagine that they thought the trees didn't match the surroundings where the house were to be built, but WHY did they change the foreground? 😲

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          • HieruH 離線
            Hieru
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            Changing the background was bad enough, but why remove the hard landscaping as well? Now there's nothing to place the building in its environment!

            www.davidhier.co.uk

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            • JQLJ 離線
              JQL
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              LOL Richard, I understand why they did that and I can totally relate to your feeling! People are basically scared of ideas and deep emotions. Been there too and hate it.

              www.casca.pt
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              • D 離線
                DOD3R
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                Hi Richard,
                I find myself in situations like this too.
                Marketing managers are usually numbers people. They will have some website heat map study or something like that, and will know that colourful ( more saturated, and with higher contrast) images will get more attention and presumably sell better.
                I hate it and I cant do nothing about it. I view it as an architect as a problem, that needs solving. And communicate to the marketing people, that I need my work to by represented well. I cant risk my client to connect me with bad marketing or my project selling poorly, because its shown in a bad way.
                For me the best argument how to get out of this situation is to prove that your solution is better than competition.

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                • JQLJ 離線
                  JQL
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                  The fact is that marketing solutions aim at markets and architectural solutions aim at people.

                  Architecture tries creating uniqueness, marketing is about massification.

                  You're on opposite sides!

                  www.casca.pt
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                  • pbacotP 離線
                    pbacot
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                    Such a poor PS job too. Even I could've done that.

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                    • JQLJ 離線
                      JQL
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                      @pbacot said:

                      Such a poor PS job too. Even I could've done that.

                      LOL!

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                      • StinkieS 離線
                        Stinkie
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                        😆

                        I feel for you, Richard.

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                        • cottyC 離線
                          cotty
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                          Oh yes...

                          my SketchUp gallery

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                          • DanielD 離線
                            Daniel
                            最後由 編輯

                            Are those marketing "gurus" college freshman? Their so-called improved rendering makes it appear lifeless. I'm surprised they didn't contact you and ask if you have a color version of your rendering.

                            There is one consolation: at least they only changed the setting, and not the design of the building.

                            My avatar is an anachronism.

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                            • bazB 離線
                              baz
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                              Depressing Richard, happens to me a bit too. Just had a website destroyed by the company's accountant!

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                              • RichardR 離線
                                Richard
                                最後由 編輯

                                @bob james said:

                                Richard your original is Great! Did you make composite color/grey in PhotoShop?

                                Yes mate! The background was added as BW, all the foreground elements were masked and desaturated.

                                BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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                                • RichardR 離線
                                  Richard
                                  最後由 編輯

                                  @pixero said:

                                  Your original render is much better. 👍
                                  I can imagine that they thought the trees didn't match the surroundings where the house were to be built, but WHY did they change the foreground? 😲

                                  Mate the background was selected to maintain a theme of non urban environments. Yeah why they dropped out the foreground of driveways and bedding I truly don't understand.

                                  BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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                                  • RichardR 離線
                                    Richard
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    @hieru said:

                                    Changing the background was bad enough, but why remove the hard landscaping as well? Now there's nothing to place the building in its environment!

                                    I agree mate, it has lost EVERYTHING!

                                    BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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                                    • RichardR 離線
                                      Richard
                                      最後由 編輯

                                      @jql said:

                                      LOL Richard, I understand why they did that and I can totally relate to your feeling! People are basically scared of ideas and deep emotions. Been there too and hate it.

                                      Thanks mate, want to join me and cry in the corner?

                                      BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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                                      • ntxdaveN 離線
                                        ntxdave
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                                        While in general, your model looks far superior, I think what they were doing from a marketing viewpoint was adding the color. Having worked with some home builders in the past, they like the color. Especially if they are posting pictures in their sales office or marketing materials.

                                        Even given that, why the heck the removed some of your landscaping details is beyond my understanding. I can certainly understand your dismay.

                                        As for your work - WELL DONE.........

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                                        • RichardR 離線
                                          Richard
                                          最後由 編輯

                                          @jql said:

                                          The fact is that marketing solutions aim at markets and architectural solutions aim at people.

                                          Architecture tries creating uniqueness, marketing is about massification.

                                          You're on opposite sides!

                                          Weird though that then you get the other clients! I put this render done to support a planning application on the front page of a brochure and website. Told the client and marketing guys that as soon as I could I'd flip it out with a full colour version. And they wanted this one to stay!

                                          They felt it was EDGY!

                                          vertical.jpg

                                          BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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                                          • RichardR 離線
                                            Richard
                                            最後由 編輯

                                            @dod3r said:

                                            Hi Richard,
                                            I find myself in situations like this too.
                                            Marketing managers are usually numbers people. They will have some website heat map study or something like that, and will know that colourful ( more saturated, and with higher contrast) images will get more attention and presumably sell better.
                                            I hate it and I cant do nothing about it. I view it as an architect as a problem, that needs solving. And communicate to the marketing people, that I need my work to by represented well. I cant risk my client to connect me with bad marketing or my project selling poorly, because its shown in a bad way.
                                            For me the best argument how to get out of this situation is to prove that your solution is better than competition.

                                            This is exactly what is driving me crazy in this situation (actually pissing me off)! I did the design and render at a VERY low licensing fee with a royalty agreement on every one sold. Now I seriously don't see them selling any!

                                            I guess we learn from our mistakes, I should have put a lot more conditions upon the agreement.

                                            BUILTBRAND.COM.AU

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