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    • mikebelluckfM 離線
      mikebelluckf
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      Hi Skupusers,

      I will be presenting at the 3D Basecamp UK at RIBA on the 9th of September 2015 - the last slot of the day (some coffee will be consumed).

      My presentation is about using both Sketchup & Layout in pitch & presentation context.

      Some reaction - brief, monosyllabic, or gastronomic about this posts would be interesting to help shape my final words. LMK if you are happy to have attributations.

      Me, I love em all......

      Mike Bell
      mike@mikebell.eu

      MIKE BELL
      http://www.mikebell.eu   +44 7970 646 705

      Event // Exhibition // Experiential // Installation
      Design / Layouts / CAD Plans / Digital Scamps

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      • jujuJ 離線
        juju
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        LO needs a lot of TLC from Trimble.

        Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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        • FrederikF 離線
          Frederik
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          I use LO on a daily basis and I couldn't live without it...!
          Unfortunately I won't be able to come to the SCF Basecamp in London...

          Yes, there's a lot that need to be improved and lots of new features that could get implemented...

          If Trimble decide to implement the Ruby SDK, I'm sure we'll see a lot of great new features, similar to what we've seen with SU...

          Cheers
          Kim Frederik

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          • mikebelluckfM 離線
            mikebelluckf
            最後由 編輯

            Thanks for thoughts so far..

            MIKE BELL
            http://www.mikebell.eu   +44 7970 646 705

            Event // Exhibition // Experiential // Installation
            Design / Layouts / CAD Plans / Digital Scamps

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            • K 離線
              kaas
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              Fully agree on all points with Frederik

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              • Nat1N 離線
                Nat1
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                I use Layout at our Architectural Practice for planning drawings and presentation work.

                Layout is much better than it use to be, I have been using it since it was first released, but since the ability of setting a scale to elevations we use it a lot more, mainly because you can get much better looking elevations than Auto-CAD.

                Having textures, shadows, and line styles on the elevations is great compared to CAD.

                I will be at the Basecamp both days and looking forward to your presentation.

                I have attached an example of a recent planning drawing I did at the office.

                kind regards,
                Nat


                Planning drawing using Layout

                http://www.jbarch.co.uk

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                • KrisidiousK 離線
                  Krisidious
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                  I have a love hate relationship with it... It's still fundamentally flawed, but it's also wonderfully functional and easy to use. Still, it needs to learn a few strokes from the old hands.

                  By: Kristoff Rand
                  Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                  • KrisidiousK 離線
                    Krisidious
                    最後由 編輯

                    Some light reading if you want to get a finger in the air to check the breeze.

                    Construction & Working Drawings - Discussion
                    http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12%26amp;t=15911

                    By: Kristoff Rand
                    Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                    • S 離線
                      sonder
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                      I love it! I use it for all my presentations from schematic design through full construction documents.

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                      • O 離線
                        otb designworks
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                        It is, without doubt, the best and only viable solution for 2D from Sketchup for me. I have generated thousands of pages of shop drawings, blueprints, and presentations with it and spend as much time using it as I do Sketchup

                        That being said, it is clunky, takes 1000% too many left clicks to accomplish anything, and feels like a piece of 1999 software. Just as an estimate, I would say that 40% of the time spent using Layout is wasted due to leader text editing sucking, moving dimension text around, and editing text.

                        For me, though, by far the most frustrating aspect of Layout is that the developers are not doing sh&%t to substantially improve it. I know, I know, it is way better than it was (true) but it is still way way not as good as it should/could be. Was it the last update that gave us two segment leader text that is awful in every other way? and what else did they improve? It's faster but still agonizingly slow with large vector rendering. And what else?

                        Would I recommend it to a SU user? Absolutely. Are there any other real options? No, not at all. Let's not forget that Layout was started by AtLast; that was a long freaking time ago, just sayin'

                        I would gladly pay for $1000+ for a real, substantive update.

                        Cheers, Chuck

                        OTB Designworks is on Youtube

                        6 core nMP, 32 gig RAM, (2) D700 GPU's, dual monitors

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                        • pbacotP 離線
                          pbacot
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                          @unknownuser said:

                          I love it! I use it for all my presentations from schematic design through full construction documents.

                          I love what Sonder does with it.

                          MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                          • pbacotP 離線
                            pbacot
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                            @otb designworks said:

                            Just as an estimate, I would say that 40% of the time spent using Layout is wasted due to leader text editing sucking, moving dimension text around, and editing text.

                            I wonder if i am missing the correct methodology as to get what would be appropriate leader text position on any CAD (and hand drawn protocol) takes a lot of extra steps.

                            MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                            • utilerU 離線
                              utiler
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                              Use it everyday, some issues with it but the Trimble guys are continually developing it.. [and listening!!] 😄 😄

                              purpose/expression/purpose/....

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                              • jujuJ 離線
                                juju
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                                @otb designworks said:

                                I would gladly pay for $1000+ for a real, substantive update.

                                Don't give anybody any ideas...

                                Save the Earth, it's the only planet with chocolate.

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                                • JQLJ 離線
                                  JQL
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                                  I love and hate LO!

                                  I use it and need it badly as it's very handy and I can get great results.

                                  But I hate working with it, hate CAD exports and dimensioning/leader jobs.

                                  It still is the best 2D/drafting output you can get from Sketchup so it's fundamental. I'd love a full revamp on a lot of stuff though.

                                  What I do is push it way to the end of my production line and prepare all things in Sketchup to the full extent I can. The things I can automate inside LO, I do and I try to fast jump in LO and flee the also as fast as I can...

                                  EDIT: My answer doesn't fit your poll...

                                  www.casca.pt
                                  Visit us on facebook!

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                                  • O 離線
                                    otb designworks
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    @juju said:

                                    @otb designworks said:

                                    I would gladly pay for $1000+ for a real, substantive update.

                                    Don't give anybody any ideas...

                                    The key was the word substantive. I have a long list, posted on this site years ago, that would need to be addressed in a serious manner before that kind of money would be warranted. That said, if I could improve my workflow by 40%, I would happily pay money for that.

                                    Cheers, Chuck

                                    OTB Designworks is on Youtube

                                    6 core nMP, 32 gig RAM, (2) D700 GPU's, dual monitors

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                                    • pbacotP 離線
                                      pbacot
                                      最後由 編輯

                                      @utiler said:

                                      but the Trimble guys are continually developing it.. [and listening!!] 😄 😄

                                      How do you know?

                                      MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                      • M 離線
                                        marcdurant
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                                        @pbacot said:

                                        @utiler said:

                                        but the Trimble guys are continually developing it.. [and listening!!] 😄 😄

                                        How do you know?

                                        <cough>

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                                        • JQLJ 離線
                                          JQL
                                          最後由 編輯

                                          Someone is listening from above... creepy!

                                          www.casca.pt
                                          Visit us on facebook!

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                                          • O 離線
                                            otb designworks
                                            最後由 編輯

                                            Hi Marc! I know you know of the list I speak...

                                            One day I would love it if the Layout developers flew me down to Colorado where I could pull out my years of Layout portfolio and I could demonstrate my workflow over a few hours and they could see for themselves of what I speak. Perhaps a dialogue and beta testing role would be helpful. It's always good to see what the power users are doing every day. I would love that. I would assuredly not show up with beer or anything silly like that..

                                            You guys have the power to vastly improve a large chunk of my everyday existence! Help me!!! I'm on my knees over here:)

                                            Cheers, Chuck

                                            OTB Designworks is on Youtube

                                            6 core nMP, 32 gig RAM, (2) D700 GPU's, dual monitors

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