[Plugin][$] JointPushPull Interactive - v4.8a - 30 Mar 24

TIG

That error message will be very useful to Fredo in establishing what's wrong...
Over to him...

frankflafy

should i PM him?

TIG

You could, but Fredo regularly visits here, so he should see your post/plight soon...

frankflafy

Does it load properly ? Yes it load properly
Have you read and understood its usage/instructions ? i understand the usage, in older version of SU i used it everyday.
Are there any error messages in the Ruby Console when you try to use it ?
Have you installed the latest LibFredo ? I installed latest and restarted my SU.
I have delete the lib and reinstall. but it dont help.

-and yes, this is the error i found on my ruby console-

This when i load the plugin

Error; #<NoMethodError; undefined method `entityID' for #<Sketchup;;Model;0x9ee8468 @cache_file_name=nil>>
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;791;in `selection_add_remove_faces'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;731;in `selection_initial'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;565;in `handle_initial_selection'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;514;in `activate'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;64;in `select_tool'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;64;in `action__mapping'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Plugin.rb;133;in `call'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Plugin.rb;133;in `launch_action'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/bootstrap_JointPushPull.rb;81;in `launch_action'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/bootstrap_JointPushPull.rb;128;in `block in declare_command'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Plugin.rb;1080;in `call'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Plugin.rb;1080;in `command_invoke'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Plugin.rb;1062;in `block (2 levels) in build_config_commands'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Traductor.rb;1077;in `call'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/Lib6Traductor.rb;1077;in `block in add_command'
SketchUp;1;in `call'

This when i select the face

Error; #<NoMethodError; undefined method `entityID' for #<Sketchup;;Model;0x9ee8468 @cache_file_name=nil>>
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;791;in `selection_add_remove_faces'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;744;in `selection_validate'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;622;in `selection_validate_if_add'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;676;in `selection_freeze_positions'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;1283;in `onLButtonDown'
Error; #<NoMethodError; undefined method `entityID' for #<Sketchup;;Model;0x9ee8468 @cache_file_name=nil>>
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;791;in `selection_add_remove_faces'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;744;in `selection_validate'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_!LibFredo6/body_Lib6FacePicker.rb;916;in `onLButtonUp'
C;/Users/Foxy/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2015/SketchUp/Plugins/Fredo6_JointPushPull/JointPushPullTool.rb;1315;in `onLButtonUp'

Please Help.

fredo6

@frankflafy

The error on <model>.entityID is very strange because in Sketchup this is valid (it returns "Model".

Do you get this error for a sepcific model or always?

Fredo

tt_su

@fredo6 said:

@frankflafy

The error on <model>.entityID is very strange because in Sketchup this is valid (it returns "Model".

Do you get this error for a sepcific model or always?

Fredo

Actually, this is Dynamic Component that adds that to the Model class. It adds a few methods to make the Model class blend with the regular Entity class.
The changes DC do to the SketchUp API classes makes sense - but unfortunately they where added as part of DC and not the API. So if DC is disabled they won't work.
I personally want them merged into the official API - though there are challenges as some of them are not ideal for the API, as they have some failing edge cases that was good enough for DC, but not for an API. Need to be careful to reduce breaking things. Hence it's not been done yet.

frankflafy

@fredo6 said:

@frankflafy

The error on <model>.entityID is very strange because in Sketchup this is valid (it returns "Model".

Do you get this error for a sepcific model or always?

Fredo

@tt_su said:

Actually, this is Dynamic Component that adds that to the Model class. It adds a few methods to make the Model class blend with the regular Entity class.
The changes DC do to the SketchUp API classes makes sense - but unfortunately they where added as part of DC and not the API. So if DC is disabled they won't work.
I personally want them merged into the official API - though there are challenges as some of them are not ideal for the API, as they have some failing edge cases that was good enough for DC, but not for an API. Need to be careful to reduce breaking things. Hence it's not been done yet.

its fixed after i enabled the DC.
yes i disable the DC because of never used it. thanx for the respond.

Marko87

Everytime I try to use Joint push pull, it freezes at 63 %.. Please help, I really need that tool for shape I'm working on it.. I'm using SU 15 pro. Thank you!!

TIG

Do you mean by 'every time' - 'whatever I try to use it on [even the simplest box]...'
OR do you mean - 'whenever I try to use it on a particular set of geometry...'

First off, we must assume you have installed the latest version of this tool and the required Lib ??

If it's the first problem, then something is up with either the way the tool is installed or you are trying to use it - as it works faultlessly for most of us.
What settings etc are you using ?

If it's the second problem, then there's probably something wrong with your geometry...
Can you post a SKP of it so that we can check it out, and thereafter advise you more constructively...

josephkim626

Feature Request.

Hi, Fredo.

I love your plugin, and have been using it very well for awhile now.

Because of my workflow, there is a tiny feature request I would like to make if it isn't too difficult.

Joint Push Pull

Let me know if there is a way to produce the result that is shown on the right, as supposed to the one on the left.

(Maybe there is a way, I suspect with "Borders" and different type of push-pull modes, but no luck so far)

I would like two or more faces connected to be pushed all-together, but no edges created on the sides.

Thank you in advance.

pilou

You have just the line on the top and not on the bottom?
Maybe you can use remove inner faces by Wikii ?
And Clean Up by Thomthom on the selection of the Vertical + bottom faces ?

Joint PushPull + Remove inner face + CleanUP = your exact result on the right!

( here in Xray Mode)

Normal

Box

Do you mean like this?

pbacot

looks like he also wants the original edge removed. Maybe a "too" special case? There are so many options in this tools as it is.

pilou

@unknownuser said:

Do you mean like this?

Seems there is always a line on the bottom!
he wants not ?

josephkim626

@pilou said:

You have just the line on the top and not on the bottom?
Maybe you can use remove inner faces by Wikii ?
And Clean Up by Thomthom on the selection of the Vertical + bottom faces ?

Joint PushPull + Remove inner face + CleanUP = your exact result on the right!

( here in Xray Mode)
[attachment=1:338lojyb]right.jpg[/attachment:338lojyb]

Normal[attachment=0:338lojyb]right1.jpg[/attachment:338lojyb]

Thank you for your comment.

Yes, I just wanted the line on top, not on the bottom.

Also, all other functions create hidden/soften line on the side (it will be visible when hidden geometry is enabled)

I know there is a work-around with cleanup and some other plugins. But I do hundreds of these sometimes.

I was just looking for a easier solution if it wasn't so troublesome.

@pbacot said:

looks like he also wants the original edge removed. Maybe a "too" special case? There are so many options in this tools as it is.

A good point.
It does have a lot of options, I thought maybe an option for my purpose hidden somewhere.
if not, maybe a easy fix.

pilou

@unknownuser said:

But I do hundreds of these sometimes.

yes but sometimes with a tricky simple selection and the good plugin
you can make that in one second!

eidam655

edit3: there used to be an angry rant here from me, which was unjustified and stemmed from time pressure and my inability to, in fact, read the manual (or watch the tutorials).

so, sorry to those who had to read it, and i apologize for using this forum to vent my frustration.

have a nicer day than I'm having,
~eidam

JQL

Fredo,

I really love JPP and can't thank you enough for allowing us to freely use such a sophisticated and well developed plugin.

I have a couple of small questions for you that I've been strugling with on JPP but never found the nerve to pester you about...

These are little things that I always forget when working with JPP and that make me always undo the first operation I perform with it:

1 - All Sketchup's native tools allow us to define a direction and then reverse it with the "-" operator and a value for the distance. For instance a pushpull of 1m down, might be defined by pushpulling, moving up and then hit "-1" on the VCB. JPP doesn't work like that and always assumes the direction of the side of the face we pick as the positive direction not the direction of the movement we do when dragging, wich for me is not intuitive within the Sketchup environment.

2 - We have to click+drag to define a distance relative to existing geometry. This poses several problems when we have to orbit/pan around the model to find that geometry on the model while keeping the mouse button pressed down. Is there any possibility to make the input for inference be one click for start moving and second click to apply inference?

3 - This would probably have to change the way selection is made on the fly... With standard sketchup it is made by using the shift and ctrl modifier keys. Is it possible to also replicate that behaviour?

4 - On Sketchup tools when you preselect something that preselection is not changeable.

5 - After the selection is defined you input the value on the VCB and press return/enter and the command assumes the distance. Is this possible to replicate too? Right now JPP accepts the VCB input but doesn't accept return or enter to assume the value.

I guess all of these happen because you want to define several input methods and have found this the better way, but maybe the original Sketchup input methods are compatible with all the complexity of your plugin.

I can't imagine how much work would be involved in this, but if it is simple enough could you consider using methods more similar to Sketchup native methods or maybe allow us to define our own input methods?

Thanks in advance and thanks once again for this wonderful plugin,

Best regards and happy new year,

João

TIG

fredo6

Joao,

Thanks a lot for your comments. It is actually not so frequent to get documented and accurate feedback.

JPP 3.0 has a more complex and versatile UI because it tries to address many requests, mainly:

multiple interactive selection (and thus unselection)
support of pre-selection
work across boundaries of Groups / Components
support of interactive drag in order to set the offet by reference to points picked in the model

It is not easy to comply with the 'standard(s)' of Sketchup UI, because the situation is somehow different when you deal with multiple faces and editable interactive selection (SU Push Pull only consider the one face under the cursor!).

So here is a kind of answer to your comments:

@jql said:

1 - All Sketchup's native tools allow us to define a direction and then reverse it with the "-" operator and a value for the distance. For instance a pushpull of 1m down, might be defined by pushpulling, moving up and then hit "-1" on the VCB. JPP doesn't work like that and always assumes the direction of the side of the face we pick as the positive direction not the direction of the movement we do when dragging, wich for me is not intuitive within the Sketchup environment.

I know that. The problem is that when you have multi-faces not necessarily connected, the concept of Mouse direction is not obvious, except for the face under the mouse. So I use this convention of front-face direction as Positive.

@jql said:

2 - We have to click+drag to define a distance relative to existing geometry. This poses several problems when we have to orbit/pan around the model to find that geometry on the model while keeping the mouse button pressed down. Is there any possibility to make the input for inference be one click for start moving and second click to apply inference?

That's also the price to pay for being able to click on several faces in a row.
The trick for 'free' dragging is simply to click again on the last face selected. Then, with the mouse button released, you can move the offset around.

@jql said:

3 - This would probably have to change the way selection is made on the fly... With standard sketchup it is made by using the shift and ctrl modifier keys. Is it possible to also replicate that behaviour?

Many users, among which I am, prefer an additive selection by click over click. With modifiers, you may accidentally not press CTRL or Shift and lose the whole selection.
In addition, in JPP Ctrl is used to toggle between the Grow mode and the Push Pull mode.

@jql said:

4 - On Sketchup tools when you preselect something that preselection is not changeable.

I made the possibility to alter the initial selection just for flexibility and convenience.

@jql said:

5 - After the selection is defined you input the value on the VCB and press return/enter and the command assumes the distance. Is this possible to replicate too? Right now JPP accepts the VCB input but doesn't accept return or enter to assume the value.

Normally it should work, but you have to make sure that the cursor is over one of the selected face (again for the question of direction).
Note that there is a problem with the Double-Click (whhich is the alternative without keyboard). I fixed it and will publish in v3.3b.
Here is a small video to illustrate

JPP - Initial Selection.gif

@jql said:

I guess all of these happen because you want to define several input methods and have found this the better way, but maybe the original Sketchup input methods are compatible with all the complexity of your plugin.

When working on plugins I usually try first to design something which is an extension of Sketchup GUI. But I have found that Sketchup is not so uniform, because tools are different in essence.
My guideline when I can is to try to make the workflow mouse-only when possible.

Fredo