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    • KrisidiousK Offline
      Krisidious
      last edited by

      Any ideas on why they would not want any automation Dan?

      By: Kristoff Rand
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      • D Offline
        driven
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        @dan rathbun said:

        (2) Read the Terms of Use regarding using (or forbidding use of,) SketchUp in an "automated manner".

        You may not use the Trimble Software in any manner that could damage, disable, overburden, or impair Trimble's services (e.g., you may not use the Trimble Software in an automated manner), nor may you use Software in any manner that could interfere with any other party's use and enjoyment of Trimble Services.
        

        my take on this is as long as your 'offline' you are not overburdening, Trimble's services in any way, in which case you can use 'Automator.app' to sequentially open and perform actions on your files.

        If Trimble think Apple should not be allowing us to do this, then their lawyers can fight it out...

        john

        learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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        • K Offline
          keithswd
          last edited by

          Dan - thanks for the response but I don't see how it would help me. I have a large number of components (actually a purchased library of entourage images as .skp files) which are not set up to Face-Me. Each time I insert one for the first time I have to set these two properties. I then save the component back to the file so I don't need to do it for that file again, but there are a hell of a lot yet to be updated...

          I hadn't expected any issues with T&C though!

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          • Dan RathbunD Offline
            Dan Rathbun
            last edited by

            Oh and BTW... batch mode processing is easier on Windows as the same document window is reused, so that their is only ever ONE model file open, at a time.

            Mac SketchUp will open a new document window for EVERY file in the folder, because there is no way via the API to close model windows.

            The API does NOT have a built-in interface to simulate user keystrokes (in order to dismiss modal dialogs, etc.)

            You would have to use a 3rd-party utility. Some use Applescript on Mac.

            I'm not here much anymore.

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            • Dan RathbunD Offline
              Dan Rathbun
              last edited by

              @driven said:

              @dan rathbun said:

              (2) Read the Terms of Use regarding using (or forbidding use of,) SketchUp in an "automated manner".

              my take on this is as long as your 'offline' you are not overburdening, Trimble's services in any way, in which case you can use 'Automator.app' to sequentially open and perform actions on your files.

              Yes that also makes sense to me.. but I have also had to deal with lawyers in the past, and they come from a galaxy far far away... and do not think like us mere mortals.

              YES I DO know how to do it. BUT I am wary of distributing such a utility (which I have already written to about 90% done.)

              I'm not here much anymore.

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              • K Offline
                keithswd
                last edited by

                I could do it Windows (via Parallels). Or perhaps process the components within a single model:
                Load component from file
                Set attributes
                Save component back to file
                Delete component instance
                Purge component
                Next

                I'll get reading the Newbie guides... Thanks again.

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                  driven
                  last edited by

                  hi Keith,
                  the first bits relatively easy. if you paste this into 'Ruby Console' and hit 'return' it will open and mod all the .skp's found. Personally I find 'shadows_face_sun' a bit odd looking...

                  # add your folder your path replaces this
                  loadFolder =  "/your/path" 
                  
                  skpFiles = Dir[File.join( loadFolder, "*.skp" )]
                  
                  #open the files
                  skpFiles.each {|f| 
                  Sketchup.open_file f;
                  # do your ruby actions
                  Sketchup.active_model.selection.to_a.find_all{|e|e.class==Sketchup;;ComponentInstance}.map{|i|i.definition}.each{|d|d.behavior.always_face_camera=true; d.behavior.shadows_face_sun = true}
                  }
                  

                  once there all done, you can either use Cmd "S" to save them, and if in the correct format Cmd "W" to close...

                  alternatively, you could run this Applescript which will do the save and click any drop-downs that appear.
                  for some reason it stalls on some windows, but if you click the error box and then 'Run' again it carries on.
                  Run in Applescript Editor after all the skps are open...

                  activate application "SketchUp"
                  tell application "System Events"
                  	tell process "SketchUp"
                  		set winCount to count of every window
                  		repeat with n from 1 to winCount
                  			if description of window n is "standard window" then
                  			set thisWindow to window n
                  				try
                  					if exists (click menu item "Save" of menu "File" of menu bar 1) then
                  					end if
                  				end try
                  				delay 0.5
                  				try
                  					if exists (click button "Save" of sheet 1 of thisWindow) then
                  					end if
                  				end try
                  				delay 0.5
                  				try
                  					if exists (click button "Replace" of sheet 1 of sheet 1 of thisWindow) then
                  					end if
                  				end try
                  				delay 0.5
                  				try
                  					if exists (click menu item "Close" of menu "File" of menu bar 1) then
                  					end if
                  				end try
                  			end if
                  		end repeat
                  	end tell
                  end tell
                  

                  learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                  • K Offline
                    keithswd
                    last edited by

                    Driven - Thanks so much for taking the time to write that up for me.

                    Unfortunately I don't think this approach will work as it seems that it opens all the files in the folder in one go? I have hundreds of files to process (although I could put them into a working folder in batches I suppose). I am going to try modifying your code to get the array of *.skp files in the folder, then sequentially load each one as a component, modify it, save it back to the folder, delete and purge the instance, and move on to the next file. It seems like that will avoid the issue of not being able to close the current model via Ruby, and will only open one component at a time.

                    cheers Keith

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                    • K Offline
                      keithswd
                      last edited by

                      This code appears to work on a test folder of 10 .skp files. Haven't let it loose on the main folder of 500!

                      model = Sketchup.active_model
                      
                      # set folder and get array of filenames
                      loadFolder = "/Users/Keith/Illustration Library/Testfolder"
                      skpFiles = Dir[File.join(loadFolder, "*.skp")]
                      
                      
                      # Returns a DefinitionList
                      definitions = model.definitions
                      
                      # iterate through files
                      
                      skpFiles.each do |compFile|
                      	compDefinition = definitions.load compFile
                      	behavior = compDefinition.behavior
                      	behavior.always_face_camera = true
                      	behavior.shadows_face_sun = true
                      	compDefinition.save_as compFile
                      	definitions.purge_unused
                      	end
                      

                      no error handling of course so it's a bit 'quick and dirty'.

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                      • Dan RathbunD Offline
                        Dan Rathbun
                        last edited by

                        @unknownuser said:

                        This code appears to work on a test folder of 10 .skp files. Haven't let it loose on the main folder of 500!

                        no error handling of course so it's a bit 'quick and dirty'.

                        Yes make backups first.

                        And when it comes to file work trapping errors is best.

                        I would think that the user would be prompted to overwrite the old skp file.

                        You don't see a confirm MB on the Mac ?

                        I'm not here much anymore.

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                        • TIGT Offline
                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by

                          If you make a subfolder then you can save the reformatted SKPs into there and leave the original SKPs alone...
                          That way you never change the original SKPs' data and don't need prompts etc... 😕

                          TIG

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                          • K Offline
                            keithswd
                            last edited by

                            As the code stands it runs without any prompts at all. It processed 10 files in the folder in an instant. For my purposes I'd rather manually copy files to be processed into the folder and run the script unattended, knowing I had my own backups. It's only for me to use so I c an leave it rough and ready... Might be nice to select the folder via the file open dialog, other than that I think it serves my needs

                            Thanks to all for the help and encouragement.

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                            • Dan RathbunD Offline
                              Dan Rathbun
                              last edited by

                              @unknownuser said:

                              Might be nice to select the folder via the file open dialog, ...

                              folder = UI.openpanel("Choose a skp file to set folder","*.skp")
                              if folder && folder = File.dirname(folder)
                                # do your stuff
                              end
                              

                              I'm not here much anymore.

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                              • D Offline
                                driven
                                last edited by

                                @unknownuser said:

                                Thanks to all for the help and encouragement.

                                no problem Keith,
                                we need to encourage mac users who are prepared to dip into coding, we're in a minority,
                                if nothing else, there are always PC authored scripts that need a bit of ironing before they're fully mac compatible.

                                @dan wrote a good 'chunking' script for me to process a 3D text sampler that may be useful/adaptable for handling a 500 file array. I'll see if I can find the link.
                                FOUND: http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=48761&p=444342&hilit=3d+text+chunk#p444342
                                john

                                PS, are you in London UK, or one of the impostors, I'm in East Dulwich?

                                learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                                • K Offline
                                  keithswd
                                  last edited by

                                  Ah - I was wondering what might happen if I loaded a really huge folder - actually I have a couple of thousand file to process. Not all at once though... I will check out that link when I have more time, at first glance looks a bit scary for a novice!

                                  Yes, I really am in London UK (live in W14, work SE11)!

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                                  • K Offline
                                    keithswd
                                    last edited by

                                    Thanks Dan for the pointer to UI.openpanel, that all works fine.

                                    Not sure if it is because I need to learn about chunking my array, but my routine stops every time after processing 33 or 34 files (it is always after 33 or 34 files) and then SU8 crashes. Given that such a small number of files are processed before the hang/crash, I am not sure the array size is the problem? When the script stops running, I am left with the last loaded component in the component list. If I try and and check its 'Face-Me' status, SU crashes.

                                    def setcompfm
                                    
                                    model = Sketchup.active_model
                                    # set folder and get array of filenames
                                    folder = UI.openpanel("Choose a skp file to set folder","*.skp")
                                    
                                    if folder && folder = File.dirname(folder)
                                    	skpFiles = Dir[File.join(folder, "*.skp")]
                                    end
                                    
                                    length = skpFiles.length
                                    
                                    result = UI.messagebox "Process " + length.to_s + " files?", MB_YESNO
                                    
                                    if result == 6 # Yes
                                    
                                    # Returns a DefinitionList
                                    definitions = model.definitions
                                    
                                    # iterate through files
                                    begin
                                    
                                    	skpFiles.each do |compFile|
                                    
                                    		compDefinition = definitions.load compFile
                                    		behavior = compDefinition.behavior
                                    		behavior.always_face_camera = true
                                    		behavior.shadows_face_sun = true
                                    		compDefinition.save_as compFile
                                    		definitions.purge_unused
                                    
                                    	end #end do
                                    
                                    rescue
                                    	puts compFile
                                    
                                    end #end begin
                                    
                                    end #end if
                                    
                                    end #end def
                                    
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                                    • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                      Dan Rathbun
                                      last edited by

                                      The folder check was meant to enclose everything... but I see you have a empty folder check (which probably cannot happen because an actual file must be selected. BUT...

                                      change line 7 to:
                                      return unless folder && folder = File.dirname(folder)

                                      REMOVE the end (line 9)

                                      If you cancel the open panel, NOW your method exits (because the result of UI.openpanel will eval falsely.)

                                      I'm not here much anymore.

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                                      • Dan RathbunD Offline
                                        Dan Rathbun
                                        last edited by

                                        change the name of THAT 33rd or 34th file to ".OFF" or whatever.

                                        Then try again. Just eliminate the bad file scenario.

                                        I'm not here much anymore.

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                                        • K Offline
                                          keithswd
                                          last edited by

                                          Thanks for the correction - I see my mistake now. However, the corrected syntax doesn't fix the crash. The folder selection works as it did before and populates the array with all the .skp files in the folder (about 200 for testing purposes), and my message box pops up and correctly reports the number to be processed.

                                          However it stops on the 33rd or 34th file no matter what that file is. Each time I run the script, I move the 33/34 successfully modified files out of the folder, so I am never processing the same files twice. I don't know what might be special about the 33/34 mark, but it bails at that point.

                                          Some kind of limit appears to be reached? Memory? I've no clue!

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                                          • D Offline
                                            driven
                                            last edited by

                                            not sure how to do it in ruby but in the osascript/applescript/bash I tend to use, if you don't add a distinct delay point, the process reaches some limit and errors. [That's what happening with the one I posted earlier]

                                            maybe adding a puts "done" after definitions.purge_unused will allow a break before opening the next?

                                            total stab in the dark
                                            john

                                            learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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