SketchUp 2013 Gripes & Bitchin' ONLY ;)
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@rv1974 said:
How its license work? 1 year only + constant internet connection?
As far as internet connection I would much prefer he use something like the iLok -- I already have one that I use for VST (audio) plugins. That is the standard in the audio business and it works well for people who cannot have their DAW online.
I am even less thrilled about the idea of a year subscription fee -- this type of tactic really leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. I've not yet subscribed to anything priced like this, and that is definitely an issue for me as well.
Best,
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@jpalm32 said:
My final input.
What's keeping people with SU is that there is no real competition.
AutoDesSys, Inc. has all the tools but they are not interested.
One good year of aggresive pricing and they would capture a bigger market share.
They haven't updated their newsletter since 2009.
Blog user bitch about it not being 64 bit (Bonzai3D). Sound familiar?
No layout type add-on. Limited Render choices.
Some changes, a few updates & SU price increase, they would win big (IMO).
Also, all the time the talented people here that dedicated all that time & effort to Ruby would find it hard to leave it.IMO bonzai3d is in a strange place -- it is not 64-bit, and I think that is largely due to the fact that it is made to compete with SketchUp which is also not available in 64-bit. I imagine if SketchUp were to go 64-bit (unlikely) then bonzai3d would immediately follow suit.
The reason I say it is in a strange place is: all the functionality for bonzai3d to be a monster software is already in place (inside form.z), so they could easily compete with SketchUp whenever they felt pressured to do so. Therefore, one can only conclude if a feature does not currently exist in bonzai3d it is only due the fact that they don't feel it is necessary due to SketchUp being such weak competition.
That said, all you have to do is look at the communities contribution to SketchUp and you see what bonzai3d is lacking -- namely, the user base is much smaller and not remotely as involved.
The reality with AutoDesSys is that form.z is where all the action is -- with bonzai3d being the "entry level" version... the fact that they consider their entry level software to be sufficient competition for SketchUp should speak volumes about how highly SketchUp is (not) regarded.
Best,
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Another quiet gripe from me, stop sending me emails thanking me for downloading and then others telling me to download it because I can't live without it. I think I'm on my fifth gibbering email. The most recent one signed personally from my good mate John.
I alluded to this in my post way back in the first thread, but I say it now, the Marketing department of Trimble should all be fired.
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@rv1974 said:
@solo said:
@bob james said:
OT: Sorry
@Jason
Instant Fence and Railing
Where did you find this?http://www.valiarchitects.com/subscription_scripts/instant-fence-and-railing
How its license work? 1 year only + constant internet connection?
I just posted the link, that sucks as how many times a year will I use that? no good for me then.
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2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
The people that have really improved and made any sort of contribution to sketchup over the last 5 years is you guys! Thanks to SketchUcation and all the authors!
(SU dev's admission to this is quite obvious with the extension warehouse. If the next version of SketchUp doesn't deliver it'll be interesting).
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@unknownuser said:
2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
Surprisingly this is also what I've been experiencing...
I've had several bug-splats and I've not even installed any plugins...
I thought it was my old laptop, so I'm glad to hear you saying this...
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@frederik said:
@unknownuser said:
2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
Surprisingly this is also what I've been experiencing...
I've had several bug-splats and I've not even installed any plugins...
I thought it was my old laptop, so I'm glad to hear you saying this...
I will get a new computer within the next couple of weeks, so I will wait and see...Wow I thought its' my local problem. The number of bugsplats in v.8.13 risen drastically. 90% of the cases are on running the scripts that used to be rock solid in v8.
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@solo said:
@rv1974 said:
@solo said:
@bob james said:
OT: Sorry
@Jason
Instant Fence and Railing
Where did you find this?http://www.valiarchitects.com/subscription_scripts/instant-fence-and-railing
How its license work? 1 year only + constant internet connection?
I just posted the link, that sucks as how many times a year will I use that? no good for me then.
Well I used it a lot in one year and I didn't find it too expensive consequently. It worked so I didn't care what the details were. It is not great for detailed realism or close up. At least you'd want to do some adjustments. I'd like to see it go further. The sort of parametric work that is mostly missing in SU.
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@rv1974 said:
Wow I thought its' my local problem. The number of bugsplats in v.8.13 risen drastically. 90% of the cases are on running the scripts that used to be rock solid in v8.
But I have many plugins installed on my SU 8 Pro (ver. 8.0.16846) and it's really rare that I get any bug splats...
With SU2013 I experience bug splats, where I do a simple things to a new model...
It's not even an old model from SU8 causing issues, it's completely new models...Haven't had much time to play with SU2013, enabling me check what's causing these bug splats, see if there's a certain pattern I can report...
For the time being, I need to stick with SU8 as I have too much work on hand and can't afford to waist the time...
I would have sworn that a new version would be more stable, but for me it's definitely not...
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@thomthom said:
Hvor i Danmark er du?
App. 20 km from Copenhagen...
If you ever plan to come to Copenhagen, let me know and I'll bring you some very nice cookies (home made of course), a beer and a cup of coffee...@Jason: I know where and why you stand when it comes to SU...
I have some commercial plugins... 3skeng, Artisan and some I purchased at Smustard...The idea about the 1-2 EUR plugins was merely to let the writers of the free plugins know that I do appreciate their ruby, but instead of just taking it for granted, they'd earn a small share (or big - if their plugin gets downloaded 38.000 times x 2, then it's 76K EUR
for something they've decided to give away for free anyway... ) and I wouldn't need to feel bad about not donating a penny... I.e. Thomthom and Fredo have made some splendid and free plugins, which I'd gladly pay for...
Prices are difficult to set... It's like a walk on a narrow path or can even be on a sharp knife edge...
Too expensive and you won't sell enough to conquer the masses...
Too cheap, users may believe it's not even worth to look at...
On the other hand...
If I pay 1-2 EUR for a plugin, which I subsequently find doesn't suit my needs, I don't feel I've lost the money, but was just a mis-selling and the amount has just gone to charity...@unknownuser said:
I don't deserve to be on that list.
Naahhh... You're right... It's was merely to express that I think it could be fun to meet you in person and have some pints...
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This must be the "many improvements under the hood" you're experiencing now...
unbelievable...
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@numerobis said:
This must be the "many improvements under the hood" you're experiencing now...
Yeah... I really love the term "improvements under the hood"...
It is such a mysterious expression, leaving the user puzzled in excitement...(I do actually acknowledge that such improvements are important and in many cases lead to subsequent improvements, which are more obvious to the user...)
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Are you all submitting these BugSplats? I hope so, because otherwise there is no way for the SketchUp team to tell how widespread it is. Submit all of them.
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I only use a few plugins, basically because I have too little confidence in the stability of the core program. If this is addressed and the control of plugins can be increased so that ONLY stable plugins get anywhere near publishing, I will reconsider.
Until then my use of sketchup will remain low. Not confident of these happening as the feedback from the sketchup dev team has not met expectaions. In other words until they do what they say I cannot trust them to tell the truth and deal with the issues we ALL need fixed.
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Received latest sketchupdate email. I'm not sure if replies go to the bit-bucket, but this is my response.
"Subscription model is a nasty surprise. An annual fee, an annual update, needed or not, and the subscription rolls on. I don't mind paying for updates with identified benefits, but this is a "Trust us, it will be great" change, and Trimble have no track record to validate that trust."
The subscription model requires a degree of trust as its an upfront payment, in expectation of features and bugfixes. Google had built a degree of credibility, and some trust. Trimble? For them, it's a great business model. For the customer? Not so much. As current version & plugins work well for me, I'll sit on v8, but look into alternatives.
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I am shocked that Trimble has not chimed in at all yet.
2013 lacks anything of substance. In all honesty we have no motivation to upgrade. Autodesk and Adobe will at least make the price of upgrade worth it by adding some toys for us.
Like seriously, they couldn't add a single new eye catching feature? We had 5 maintenance releases to fix bugs and this is just another, call it M6. I thought for sure they would have included a simple render engine to toss in some kind of new GI lighting and reflective materials feature or maybe incorporate a new UVW mapping system. Nothing? Not even new Styles? I am glad that my name is still installed with SketchUp though. Still there in the Styles Competition Winners from 2008. Just goes to show you what has been updated.
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@valerostudio said:
I am shocked that Trimble has not chimed in at all yet.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=52625&view=unread#p477730
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@thomthom said:
@valerostudio said:
I am shocked that Trimble has not chimed in at all yet.
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=52625&view=unread#p477730
More like a "Ding" then a "Chime"
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@thomthom said:
Which incidentally match the point of time where Google bought SketchUp...
of course it will match with the time when google bought it. Developing sketchup was never in the agenda of google. all it wanted was to buy sketchup for its google earth and 3d city maps. when the purpose was solved to great extent, they sold it off. now it is to be seen that what agenda trimble is serving it sketchup... and with current release of sketchup 2013, it is pretty much clear that developing this software dosn't seem to be in their agenda too. lets see.
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I just went by the "official" SketchUp forums -- if you ever needed another reason to support SketchUcation you should check it out.
Anybody who has anything negative to say about SketchUp 9 gets beat down by the SketchUp zombies -- as if any rational and intelligent person would not be at least slightly offended by what SketchUp is selling as an "update".
The defensiveness I see is such a clear indication of that -- after all, if it was such a great update all you would have to do is list the awesome new features that make it worthwhile, rather than trying to shore up your position by playing the puppet for "darlings" misinformation and relying on peoples gullibility to grand future hopes and dreams (which will most likely never materialize).
I often wonder if they are trying to fool us, or themselves.
Best,
Jason.
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