SketchUp 2013 ;)
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@frv said:
To Jason,
But I am interested to see what we can tryout for a replacement for Sketchup. I mean really, equally handy, cheap, apps everybody can learn quickly, and that have a future to be well integrated in the world of architectural offices.
FrancoisI recently purchased a license for V5 Rhino. The price is a bit higher - $825 from Novedge vs $590 for SketchUp - but not so much that it's a deal breaker.
I've enjoyed working in Rhino rather like I did when I first started using SketchUp - it's fluid, easy, intuitive and it has many, many advantages over SketchUp. Curves, real annotation rather than the wonky dimensions and text you find in SketchUp, a built in rendering engine (I haven't tried that yet so I can't comment on it), and the ability to generate clean, 2D vector documents.
I'm pleased and excited about it's possibilities.
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I''m not sure what the improvement in Zoom factor is - I'm not experiencing it.
I get clipping when I zoom to a line at about 1/64" long with SkechUp 8 / Layout 8. Same with SketchUp 2013 and Layout 2013. Right at the point that the line fills about half my screen I get clipped. I've never been convinced by the workaround of scaling the model so this is a big disappointment. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. -
Probably the easiest transition would be to the (cheaper than SketchUp Pro) bonzai3d -- or per my preference for more advanced modeling tools, form.Z. Both are Mac compatible and they have made alot of effort to mimic much of what has made SketchUp easy to learn/use... after using both for a while I found that, after you get over the learning curve, the extra power is very apparent. Also, unlike SketchUp they have a highly responsive approach to dealing with bugs and feature request through their forum. It's not perfect, but it's equal to SketchUp in most ways and better in many others.
Other options worth noting are Rhino, MoI3D and Blender...
Best,
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@frv said:
This is what Hitler said about the Adobe license change recently;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67Iw9q2X9cU'How can I invade Russia with rented software?'
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I don't know about the zoom improvement, but usually when I need to get a lot closer to something I change the Field of view closer to 0 and it works without the clipping.
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@ely862me said:
I don't know about the zoom improvement, but usually when I need to get a lot closer to something I change the Field of view closer to 0 and it works without the clipping.
The zoom improvement is for Layout.
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@jason_maranto said:
Probably the easiest transition would be to the (cheaper than SketchUp Pro) bonzai3d -- or per my preference for more advanced modeling tools, form.Z. Both are Mac compatible and they have made alot of effort to mimic much of what has made SketchUp easy to learn/use... after using both for a while I found that, after you get over the learning curve, the extra power is very apparent. Also, unlike SketchUp they have a highly responsive approach to dealing with bugs and feature request through their forum. It's not perfect, but it's equal to SketchUp in most ways and better in many others.
Other options worth noting are Rhino, MoI3D and Blender...
Best,
Jason.You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
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@krisidious said:
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
False.
Obviously you have not been following form.z, but they are pretty far along on their own built in version of "Layout"-style construction drawings.
Yes, it is more expensive than SketchUp Pro at $910 USD (through a 3rd party, checked earlier today), but the features don't even compare... form.z is light years ahead of SketchUp in most ways and catching up rapidly in the few ways it's not (Layout)... whats more, they actually give a crap. I know that's a novel feature that SketchUp users are not used to having access to, but believe me it is worth the price of admission for that alone.
Best,
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All I can see on Form.Z is a little blurb..
"•Layout sheets can be used to compose different views of a model and/or sections and/ or construction details together with notes and dimensions and have it printed to send to the construction site. "
If they are going to get $1000.00 from me they're going to have to try a lot harder than that.
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Try under http://www.formz.com/products/formz/formzFeatures.php "drafting module" -- or better yet download a demo and try it yourself.
Then, if you want to know more, try the documentation http://www.formz.com/manuals/formz7/!SSL!/WebHelp/formz7.php and look at the "Layout" section.
I'd rather have good tools than slick marketing.
Best,
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I download what slick advertising shows me is worth my time. I don't see anything there that impresses me in the least. one screen shot of a drafting detail that frankly looks quite messy... No words about hatching, 2D detail cataloging, architectural dimension tools and standards. I have an entire process for doing my job in SketchUp and I just migrated that from Autocad in the last year. It took years for me to finally feel comfortable enough to move over. Many drafting programs have come and gone in the years I've been in this industry, none ever beat Autocad. If something is going to get me away from SU now, it's going to have to try harder. If it were some free community built development I might show more interest but big prices and a learning curve for what?
I mean, what is it that SU needs sooo desperately? That is worth that kind of money? Are there 10 Architecture Plugins that make my life infinitely easier like SU? Does Andersen Windows have a plugin for it that gives me components with model numbers? does it have estimation plugins with it? Can I go to google earth and bring in Topo info with it?
I just recently downloaded Blender because Dave or Rich was going on about some kool things in it. But I haven't messed with it much besides installing it.
You say that SU Dev Team members don't give a crap about us, but Chris Fullmer is on their team and I know damn well he cares. I've sat here with many a dev team member and saw how they dealt with our forum and have to say they've been pretty open to our suggestions and frank with their reasoning. Like the age old 64bit argument. They also have been pretty well connected to our plugin developers...
I'm not saying I'm thrilled with the release... But I think you're being a little dramatic with the walk away and never look back.
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@krisidious said:
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Rhino has a built in Layout feature that is not as robust as the same feature in AutoCAD but it surely is more advanced than SketchUp's Layout. And much as you 'can' create a set of construction documents in SketchUp / Layout I'd hardly say it's the most successful aspect of the program.
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@krisidious said:
I download what slick advertising shows me is worth my time. I don't see anything there that impresses me in the least. one screen shot of a drafting detail that frankly looks quite messy... No words about hatching, 2D detail cataloging, architectural dimension tools and standards. I have an entire process for doing my job in SketchUp and I just migrated that from Autocad in the last year. It took years for me to finally feel comfortable enough to move over. Many drafting programs have come and gone in the years I've been in this industry, none ever beat Autocad. If something is going to get me away from SU now, it's going to have to try harder. If it were some free community built development I might show more interest but big prices and a learning curve for what?
I mean, what is it that SU needs sooo desperately? That is worth that kind of money? Are there 10 Architecture Plugins that make my life infinitely easier like SU? Does Andersen Windows have a plugin for it that gives me components with model numbers? does it have estimation plugins with it? Can I go to google earth and bring in Topo info with it?
That is terribly shallow, but since you are so convinced there not much to say other than, yes it can do pretty much everything all the plugins for SketchUp (free or otherwise) can do -- all built in, and then it is extensible just like SketchUp so you could add custom plugins you want.
If you are happy with the status quo, great -- I don't really care for the status quo, and somebody asked questions regarding options... your ignorance caused you to walk into a bad situation where you are highly underinformed. That's not my fault, nor is your shallow approach... but SketchUp definitely benefits, I'm sure they are counting on sheeple just like you to not rock the boat.
Best,
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That's something I'm seeing as I go through the programs Jason mentioned... They all seem to be copying SketchUp quite flagrantly. Calling their respective documentation programs Layout. and the Form.Z even took a page from autocad on their name. AutoDesSys... Hmmm Autodesk Systems?
And again you're talking about $1000 for what? Why would I go and buy any of these for $1000 instead of paying the $95 upgrade here?
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I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
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@thomthom said:
@numerobis said:
Extension/Plugins repository/manager, fixing toolbar issues and Layout improvements has been very high up there on the list of requested features among users.
Regarding toolbars, it only allows the toolbars to be one column in width when docked. When the toolbar is not docked, you can drag the edges to configure each toolbar to more than one column, but when you go back to dock it, it reverts to one column. SU8 keeps the configuration you originally set up.
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Form.Z's plugins... http://www.formz.com/support/extensions.html
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@krisidious said:
I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
Yes, completely shallow -- and your questions show that clearly. Dynamic Roofs, Doors, Windows, Staircases are just some of the truly fantastic built-in tools specifically for Architectural modeling.
It doesn't need a huge API because practically everything you might need is already built-in.
Instead of getting defensive why not try to educate yourself? Don't get me wrong there are flaws there as well, but they are flaws I find much more agreeable... you mileage may vary (and given our conversation thus far I can guarantee it will).
Best,
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"Dynamic Roof, Doors, Windows,"
I see nothing about any of that. all I see is some automatic stairs of which spiral is not included.
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I'm defensive? I'm not the one that is being rude and insulting. soooo... Who is defensive?
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