Can't see my model
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Ok, I was working on my model, radial bending a seat. Got it where I wanted, double clicked, and....no model! Noticed my cpu was very active so I figured it was doing all the computations to complete the radial bending, so I waited until the cpu had calmed down, figuring my model would then reappear. And waited. And waited.
No model.
Just a blank screen. Tried zoom extents, tried everything I could think of, which wasn't much, and still no model. Didn't know what else to do, so I decided to save it. It seemed to save ok, even gave me that little message that it had discovered some errors in the model and would fix them, which it did. When I checked the folder where it was saved, the thumbnail was just a blank rectangle, with a size of 13MB, which was the right size. Opened it, but still cannot find the model.Is it gone? Have I lost a bunch of work? Did I kill it and it's just a ghost?
Any ideas, suggestions, guesses, magic potions would be much appreciated.
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Tried copying another model and pasting it in place in the missing model. Can't see it. Nothing. I'm getting a little creeped out here
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you're surrounded with black holes. Be care.
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Hmm,although seems to be disappeared perhaps you can find it in the components library . If you can share the file we can take a look at it.
Try to save it as a copy and open it.
If all this fails your only backup might be the skb file(at times this is an early version of your model,but if you are lucky it can be very close to your version).Hope you can get it to work !
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I don't have a solution for you but just thought I would let you know you're not alone on this one.
It has happened to me many times, and from memory it is usually when using fredoscale. I suspect is a strange bug that perhaps needs a specific combination of graphics card, model complexity and how you are holding your mouth. I have never managed to recover a missing model.It was through this that I learnt to be more attentive to the save button. I save all the time and always try to remember to before using one of the more complex plugins. Sometimes in a particularly complex model I will open a copy of the piece I want to modify in another window to do any bending etc then paste it back.
I'm no help I know but.......
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This just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
I've copied and pasted four other models into this thing. When I paste one and then place the cursor in the center of the screen, after it's done pasting it it shows that the cursor is on the "endpoint of the group". But I can't see anything! I've checked the components and they are all there, both the original model and the ones I've added.
@gilles said:
you're surrounded with black holes. Be care.
You might have something there
@ely862me said:
Hmm,although seems to be disappeared perhaps you can find it in the components library .
Like I said, the components library is showing that everything is there. somewhere
@ely862me said:
If you can share the file we can take a look at it.
Sorry, it's too large
@ely862me said:
Try to save it as a copy and open it.
Did that. Nothing
@ely862me said:
If all this fails your only backup might be the skb file(at times this is an early version of your model,but if you are lucky it can be very close to your version).
I've been working on this model for quite a while and have plenty of earlier versions. Unfortunately the work I did to this latest version was pretty extensive and would be very difficult to duplicate. I've always counted on the auto-save, it's saved my butt plenty of times, but for whatever reason this time (of course), it did not auto-save.
The model is there, everything says it's there. I'm gonna figure this out if it's the only thing I accomplish in SU for the next six months.
It tasks me!
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what would happen if you send it to Layout ? ? ?
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GOT IT!!!
Hit "Select All", then copied it and pasted to a new instance of SU. It's all there!
wonder if I should save it now
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May be this could be useful.
http://sketchucation.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=147035#p146735 -
@hellnbak said:
GOT IT!!!
Hit "Select All", then copied it and pasted to a new instance of SU. It's all there!
wonder if I should save it now
Very good !
Have you checked the layers too ?
Also when you can't see the model try to zoom extents (it recently happened to me, that the model got faaar away from the origin after using a plugin-initially I thought it is gone but then I used zoom extents and there it was-I changed the origin and it was all ok).So that you know, Autosave is creating most of the crashes, especially when big operations are performed because they happen simultaneously .
If you are that good to remember to Ctrl+S at 10-15 mins then you can turn it off .
I have developed the ability to save before major operations with the plugins but the Autosave is still on . -
@gilles said:
May be this could be useful.
http://sketchucation.com/forums//viewtopic.php?p=147035#p146735I saw that thread before, guess I should check it out more carefully and maybe give it a try.
Thanks
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@ely862me said:
Also when you can't see the model try to zoom extents (it recently happened to me, that the model got faaar away from the origin after using a plugin-initially I thought it is gone but then I used zoom extents and there it was-I changed the origin and it was all ok).
Zoom Extents is one of the first things I tried. About six thousand times. And I think it was working, it's just that I couldn't see the dang model!
@ely862me said:
So that you know, Autosave is creating most of the crashes, especially when big operations are performed because they happen simultaneously .
Actually the autosave did work, sort of. When I was first going to do a "save as" after the model disappeared and it opened the folder where I was saving all my versions of this model, I noticed that there was indeed an autosave version, from about five minutes earlier. Decided I would open that version before saving the screwed up version, so I hit "cancel", then went to that folder to open the autosave version and lo and behold it was gone! Poof! Tried doing another save as just to see if it showed up in the folder during that process again and it was no longer there also. Not sure what that was all about.
(did this make any sense?)@ely862me said:
If you are that good to remember to Ctrl+S at 10-15 mins then you can turn it off .
I have developed the ability to save before major operations with the plugins but the Autosave is still on .Well, this is the first time that autosave has let me down. And probably this whole mess was my fault. I knew that radial bend can be a bit twitchy, and I knew that I should copy the component to a new instance of SU before working on it, rather than trying the operation within the model. Getting complacent I guess, but never again! (until I get complacent again, of course)
Well, I really do appreciate all the help and suggestions provided by all of you. Now I've gotta get busy correcting all the smoothed and hidden lines that now aren't, the result of copying and pasting such a large model. Small price to pay tho
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Out of curiosity, is it possible you had a little line segment placed somewhere a long way from the rest of the model? I've seen cases of this with the same complaint of the model disappearing. If your model was,say, 10 feet long near the origin but you have a short line segment located at maybe a mile from it, zooming with the cursor not on the model could make it seem that your model disappeared. Zoom Extents wouldn't make it any better. In fact, there was a recent thread related to the zooming issue. See http://sketchucation.com/forums//viewtopic.php?f=15&t=48320&start=15#p434378 The second image shows what happens when I used Zoom Extents. Maybe that happened to you.
Your action of using Select All, Copy and then Paste into a new SketchUp session meant that the camera was zoomed in to the setting you have established in your default template.
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Hi Dave
No, I really don't think I had a stray line like you describe (I did follow that thread by the way, interesting). As I mentioned, I had copied and pasted several models into the model in question, not paste-in-place but just paste, and I placed the cursor in the center of the screen. After the pasting was finished it indicated that the cursor was on "endpoint in group", which tells me that the model was pasted right where I had placed the cursor, but I still could not see anything. Hope that made sense.
Also, you know how when you rename a component in the component browser and hit enter then wherever you move the cursor you are dragging a copy of the new component? Well, I was dragging the component but I couldn't see it.
I'm not saying that these are valid reasons for reaching this conclusion but (to me) everything pointed to the models being where they should be, but they were, for lack of a better word, "invisible". I honestly expected to see Rod Sterling looking over my shoulder
Oh, and one more thing - when I hit "select all" I assume it would have also selected the stray line you mentioned, but after I pasted it I did try zoom extents and it behaved normally.
I certainly don't pretend to know even one percent of what you guys know about SU, but in the end I got my model back. While I would really like to know exactly what happened I guess I'll just have to settle for that.
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Hi Hellnbak, hi folks.
If Autosave is set for, say ..., 5 minutes interval and you take close to that time to find the last autosaved file, there is a chance that SketchUp will autosave the defective file automatically, overwriting the previous one which might be correct.
Personnaly, I desabled AutoSave a long time ago and got the habit of saving often, sometimes using a different name to save a model on which I did an extensive modification. then, if something goes wrong, I can always recover.
As for your model, assuming that you have no stray geometry far away from the main model, I have the following idea for procedures:
Case 1, you have at least a group or a component in your model.
1 - Menu Edit --> Unhide --> All
2 - Show all layers.
3 - Open the Outliner window.
4 - Right click on any group or component that is in the model. This brings up a contextual menu.
5 - Choose Zoom Extend from this contextual menu. The group or component will be shown filling the model window.
6 - Immediately create a scene to memorize that view. Then you can get back there if you get lost again.
Case 2, you have no group or component in the model.
1 - Menu Edit --> Unhide --> All
2 - Show all layers.
3 - Select all.
4 - Create a group with selection.
5 - Continue from step 3 of previous procedure.
Just ideas.
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Hi Jean,
I don't rely on auto-save exclusively, in fact probably 99.5 percent of my saves are save-as, with a brief description of what work was done on that version. But I haven't disabled auto-save, and won't, because it has saved me a number to times. And like I said earlier, this is the only time it has let me down.
And, also like I said, this whole mess was my fault for getting lazy and complacent, knowing that I should not do major work on a component while it's still in the model, especially using something twitchy like radial bend. This has taught me not to assume anything will go as planned, and that investing a few minutes copying the component to a new instance of SU before doing any major work on it is a lot easier than spending hours trying to recover from whatever disaster is going to rear up and bite me in the butt. I got off lucky this time because I managed to get my work back (eventually), and I look at the frustration and time spent as a good thing, in that it served as a wake up call to get back in the habit of doing what I used to do.
I keep a folder for whatever car I'm working on called "Project Work Folders" and there's a folder there for everything, from "Front Seat" to " Steering Wheel", where I save a new version after doing any work on the item. I really try to keep organized, and with six hard drives in my latest computer I can save everything as often as I like without worrying about hard drive space (and three of those drives are strictly for backups of my important files, so everything is backed up three times - I take no chances
). I look back to the first car I modeled and am amazed I ever got any work done, everything was such a disorganized mess. So at least in that respect I'm getting better.But I'm rambling. I really do appreciate your help and suggestions.
Have a good one
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"Amazing" co-incidence.
I was editing a group and moved the cursor off the object.
Boom! Hyper-zoom.
Now I am sitting on the moon looking at my model.
(well, not that funny)I cannot zoom back. I can spin the mouse wheel till it needs new batteries for all that I seem to get closer.
Zoom extents puts me back on the moon.Repeated Zoom window gets me closer, upto a point, maybe near the ISS.
I can select all, and see a very tiny blue blob near the origin.But if I try to zoom in, hyper-zoom brings me way past the object, and zoom window places the object out of view; where I don't know and any zooming or panning gives me the hyper-zoom effect and....
"To the moon, Alice."Extra points if you can tell me who said that.
How do I get back to my model
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Belay that. I got "home". I Zoom-Window'd over a larger area, and in such a way that the blue blob was just at the center of the window. After 5 times my model was big enough on screen to zoom in.
Now my problem is how to clear what may be a tiny line sitting on the moon so my extents are the model and not trans-lunar space.
Still, extra points if you can put a name to the quote. (That will also date you
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when you have all you need in your screen, select all CTRL+A on pc I suppose, then shift+select tool to deselect needed geometries and press delete.
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@jgb said:
"*To the moon, Alice*."Extra points if you can tell me who said that.
Jackie Gleason as Ralph Cramden on "The Honeymooners"
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When you say "Noticed my cpu was very active so I figured it was doing all the computations to complete the radial bending, so I waited until the cpu had calmed down, figuring my model would then reappear. And waited. And waited.
No model."
Do you mean Hard drive?
This happened to me and the hard drive kept going forever.
Finaly shut it down & re-booted and HD still going forever again but could still work on the pc.
Still slow till it finally calmed down.
Lost SU drawing at that point though.
Happened to me in VUE a lot, so stopped using it.
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