Never upload your work to 3D warehouse!!!
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Nick, that's really cool that you got the thank you from the teacher and an opportunity to see how the kids used your model.
I agree that posting another persons model as your own is going too far. It isn't an ethical thing to do. Still, when you look at the internet as a whole there are an awful lot of more unethical things going on that never get stopped. I'm not saying it is right but in the grand scheme, it's probably not worth losing any hair over.
It would be nice if Google or Trimble could provide a management staff to make sure this stuff was dealt with and offenders removed. It would take a lot of people to mange it and staff costs money and the warehouse would have to be a revenue source for them. That would mean users would have to pay to download models and it would become like FormFonts which probably doesn't have this problem.
I don't think anything is going to change any time soon so I guess share and take the risk, set permissions to limit who can download your models or keep your models to yourself.
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It's probably no consolation but I downloaded the other guy's model and it lists you as the author in model info credits. It ( the 3DW ) lists you as the original author.
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Hi Gaieus.
Although you will not say it directly, you are agreeing with my statement. Never upload to Google's 3d Waregouse!
You are saying that i was stupid to think that my work would not have beeen stollen! And if you do upload models/work you should expect it to be stollen.
You are obviously so used to theift going on around you, that you get upset if someone complains when it happens and tries to warn newbies (like myself). As you are an administrator for this site, i am shocked by your response.
I will try your point of view and go to the local police station, find someone that has been burgled and tell them that they should have expected it because they have a nice house. What do you think thay are going to say to me? They will beat me like a dog untill i am dead.
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@nick c said:
Hi Gaieus.
I will try your point of view and going to go to the local police station, find someone that has been burgled and tell them that they should have expected it because they have a nice house. What do you think thay are going to say to me? They will beat me like a dog untill i am dead.
Yes but if they placed their valuables in an a store that is open 24 hours a day and has no cash register, check out, nor much for staff? I think you misunderstand Gaieus.
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@nick c said:
you are wrong phacot.
Under the British / USA law and i would imagine all the rest of the countries in the world. You can leave your shop/house unlocked with the door wide open with no one inside. And anyone entering and taking any item and walking out is still classes as stealing. The police will still arrest and charge them.
It's stealing (falsely claiming creative rights). No one says it isn't. There are no police in this case. Nevermind.
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you are wrong phacot.
Under the British / USA law and i would imagine all the rest of the countries in the world. You can leave your shop/house unlocked with the door wide open with no one inside. And anyone entering and taking any item and walking out is still classes as stealing. The police will still arrest and charge them.
There is no excuss to say that a Google Site is understaffed. maybe they should sell some of the mapping vehicals i keep seeing on the discovery channel.
Oh, i forgot. They just sold Sketchup, they should have loads of money for more staff.
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It is stealing to claim rights but the fact remains, if you put your work on the 3D Warehouse, you need to accept that you've made it free for the taking and other people will do what they will with it. If you aren't willing to let go of it, don't post your models there. It's pretty simple to figure.
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your right Dave R.
There is no point at all in being part of a communaty that has no law or the ability to police it's self. I am happy to go back to the days of the wild west and tar and feather the guy.
If the 3D warehouse was policed half as well as this site, there wouldn't be a problem.
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You're right Dave R.
There is no point at all in being part of a community that has no law or the ability to police itself. I am happy to go back to the days of the wild west and tar and feather the guy.
If the 3D warehouse was policed half as well as this site, there wouldn't be a problem.
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See how easy I "stole" your words there. That's what happens when you put things up on the net for people.
Now you can get mad about it, or you can wet your knickers in rage like you are doing over the kid on the 3DW.
But in all honesty, you're acting like a 12 year old immature kid who is angry because a 5 year year old stole your sweet, even though you don't even like the sweet and was walking away from it.
The best solution is for you to not post anything on the Internet until you've grown up a bit.
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@nick c said:
I will try your point of view and go to the local police station, find someone that has been burgled and tell them that they should have expected it because they have a nice house. What do you think thay are going to say to me?
i think that depends on whether or not their lease agreement had this in there:
@unknownuser said:
*By uploading, submitting or otherwise storing content in the Services, you agree to license certain rights to Google, Trimble and others, as described below:
…………………….Rights granted to other end users of the Services. You give other end users of the Services a perpetual, sublicensable, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Existing Geolocated Models, Existing Non-Geolocated Models, New Models and related content and derivative works thereof which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.*
it's not even a question of morals at this point.. nothing has even been 'stolen' from you in the legal sense..
go into the police station and plea your case on this.. what do you think they are going to say to you? They will beat you like a dog untill**(sic)** you are dead.
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@nick c said:
you are wrong phacot.
Under the British / USA law and i would imagine all the rest of the countries in the world. You can leave your shop/house unlocked with the door wide open with no one inside. And anyone entering and taking any item and walking out is still classes as stealing. The police will still arrest and charge them.
There is no excuss to say that a Google Site is understaffed. maybe they should sell some of the mapping vehicals i keep seeing on the discovery channel.
Oh, i forgot. They just sold Sketchup, they should have loads of money for more staff.
Under British law, if you stick a sign up in your shop saying "Free items, take whatever you want." and then call the police when you see the shop next door selling your things then the police will tell you that they are committing no crime because you gave them away.
That's what you are doing when you give your models away on the 3DW.
Just be thankful that you're producing models that someone wants to take credit for. Now if only you could put some work into making your sketchucation posts worth reading.
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Posting an exact copy is a violation of Googles own policey and if they take no action or no one cares, that is hardy my fault. I didn't make the rules for the site, Google did.
But i have learnt one things from this whole experience of posting on this Forum and the replies.
Never upload or give anything away for free.
Don't worry, i am off. I don't want to be part of this forum. Where everyone defends copying and google for not upholding their own site policey's.
bye Bye
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look.. the conversation isn't about whether or not google has a fair policy.
the fact is, google has a policy that you agreed to.. and it clearly states the person you're accusing of stealing is in fact not stealing at all..
and where does google state that you can not upload an exact copy?
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Nick, if you are now "hurt" because you completely misunderstand what others are trying to hint to you (i.e. "do not share anything in the 3D WH unless you do not mind it being 'stolen' by others") and leave the forums for this reason, you are acting childish. We are not Google, nor we make the rules and especially have no influence on how these rules are enforced. Everyone here was saying what you said - just differently. There is a TOS but as with any Google TOS, an experienced lawyer is needed to interpret it (incidentally I am a lawyer but I find so many contradictions in the rules that I would not dare to give a legal advice to anyone).
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@unknownuser said:
and where does google state that you can not upload an exact copy?
I can't find any mention of it in the TOS or content policy, but it is listed as an option when you click on the "Report a policy violation" link.
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@nick c said:
Posting an exact copy is a violation of Googles own policey and if they take no action or no one cares, that is hardy my fault. I didn't make the rules for the site, Google did.
But i have learnt one things from this whole experience of posting on this Forum and the replies.
Never upload or give anything away for free.
Don't worry, i am off. I don't want to be part of this forum. Where everyone defends copying and google for not upholding their own site policey's.
bye Bye
I'll be honest and say I was completely wrong about you. I'd have put money on you being a teenage boy with your attitude and the way you come across.
But I just looked at your website and you're clearly not a kid, you're over 40 years old. Seriously, what type of life have you lead that means you react like this to this trivial nonsense? I dread to think how many times you've been beaten up if you act in real life like you have on here.
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I notice on Nick's website he has stolen the History Channel's H logo for a button to his History page.
Pot-Kettle-Black.
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