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    • HieruH Offline
      Hieru
      last edited by

      @jason_maranto said:

      For exterior shots Maxwell could easily complete complex scenes of decent size within 2 hours using either the Maxwell Physical Sky or IBL (IBL preferred to me).

      The same goes for Thea. I'm currently re-rendering one of my Villa PM scenes to use on my website and here is the result after just 40 minutes (1565 x 700 px).

      40min.jpg

      It's already pretty clean and if you were in a rush you could run it through a denoise filter at this point and get very good results. The image will probably be good enough after another 20 minutes or so.

      As with Maxwell the speed depends on the scene, lighting, materials etc. My night time shots with interior lighting took about 3 times longer to render.

      Edit: I'm using a pretty ordinary i7 PC with 12GB of Ram.

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      • andybotA Offline
        andybot
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        @jason_maranto said:

        No doubt -- I've never made the claim that Maxwell is a speed demon... but I think the speed issue is a bit overblown.

        As an arch-viz professional I respectfully disagree. Time is very much money. To only get a handful of renderings after running something overnight is just not viable for me. That's why I stick with vray despite its flaws. Its integration into sketchup is just fine for my purposes. I am constantly modeling and adjusting lighting/ textures/ etc. while a render is running, and when it's done in a few minutes, I can run another. I agree the fire preview in maxwell is pretty good and does give a decent real-time simulation, however, the light cache pass in vray serves a similar purpose and is just as fast.

        Andy

        http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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        • jason_marantoJ Offline
          jason_maranto
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          I'll be the first to admit I don't know squat about Arch Viz -- but I do know Maxwell.

          This is a render of one of silver_shadows eye-candy models he shared on this forum -- I made no changes other than to turn on the Maxwell Physical Sky (I did have to crop it a bit because the forum doesn't allow images larger than 1600 pixel wide)... this could look alot better if I spent time tweaking the materials and found an HDR/EXR that suited the scene but my point here was about render speed for complex exterior shots.

          I rendered this to SL 14 which took 36 minutes on my system (Intel i7 920 2.66 GHz) -- this is typically what I would expect from Maxwell for time to render such a scene (on my less than cutting edge system)... I did use the full Maxwell Render Suite here, so you should expect a bit slower time on the stand-alone plugin(s).

          Best,
          Jason.


          Made by silver_shadow -- click for full size view.

          I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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          • soloS Offline
            solo
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            Got a link to that model?

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            • jason_marantoJ Offline
              jason_maranto
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              The original thread is here: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=10549

              You can get his models here: http://www.box.net/shared/4ao75395un

              Best,
              Jason.

              I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                dsarchs
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                I use Thea's unbiased engine almost exclusively, but I believe the biased engine has been much improved as well. Does anyone have more experience using it? How does that compare to V-Ray?

                I work at an Arch. firm but we almost never get hired for visualization -- the rendering we do is more to help design and persuade the client of what we'd like to do. For us, Thea makes more sense since it's pretty cheap. V-Ray might not cost too much -- for a specialization firm -- but for us it's not worth the cost.

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                • holmes1977H Offline
                  holmes1977
                  last edited by

                  @jason_maranto said:

                  I'll be the first to admit I don't know squat about Arch Viz -- but I do know Maxwell.

                  This is a render of one of silver_shadows eye-candy models he shared on this forum -- I made no changes other than to turn on the Maxwell Physical Sky (I did have to crop it a bit because the forum doesn't allow images larger than 1600 pixel wide)... this could look alot better if I spent time tweaking the materials and found an HDR/EXR that suited the scene but my point here was about render speed for complex exterior shots.

                  I rendered this to SL 14 which took 36 minutes on my system (Intel i7 920 2.66 GHz) -- this is typically what I would expect from Maxwell for time to render such a scene (on my less than cutting edge system)... I did use the full Maxwell Render Suite here, so you should expect a bit slower time on the stand-alone plugin(s).

                  Best,
                  Jason.

                  Hi Jason

                  Im not competing at all. Just was interested to see how long this render would take in Vray. I have the same spec comp you do (Intel i7 920 2.66 GHz). it rendered out at 1600x1200 in 5mins.

                  Exaggeration makes a dull story better.

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                  • jason_marantoJ Offline
                    jason_maranto
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                    I believe it -- and I wasn't pretending Maxwell could compete with V-Ray in terms of raw speed... in the same way V-Ray cannot compare to other render engines (like Keyshot) in terms of raw speed. My point was simply that the time frames are not out of the question, which is often implied with Maxwell.

                    It is slower no doubt, but still completely doable.

                    Best,
                    Jason.

                    I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                    • M Offline
                      mwm5053
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                      Reading through this seems like renders are like women and wine you like what you like for one reason or another. When I got into SU and this forum it opened a whole new experience for me and I have tried many of the trial renders to make my models look more realistic. I use KT because it was free since I don't do this for a living. Since I lost my wife and the kids are grown up need to find something to fill in the time. Sorry maybe shouldn't have said that. But just to say how much this community means to me. Thanks to you all.

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                      • holmes1977H Offline
                        holmes1977
                        last edited by

                        @jason_maranto said:

                        I believe it -- and I wasn't pretending Maxwell could compete with V-Ray in terms of raw speed... in the same way V-Ray cannot compare to other render engines (like Keyshot) in terms of raw speed. My point was simply that the time frames are not out of the question, which is often implied with Maxwell.

                        It is slower no doubt, but still completely doable.

                        Best,
                        Jason.

                        Totally doable. Im actually looking at other options other than Vray. So disappointed at its development path compared to other renders.

                        Exaggeration makes a dull story better.

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                        • HieruH Offline
                          Hieru
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                          @unknownuser said:

                          it rendered out at 1600x1200 in 5mins.

                          It would be interesting to see the quality. Infact it would be good to see a test scene rendered using all of the software in the poll.

                          www.davidhier.co.uk

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                          • Rich O BrienR Offline
                            Rich O Brien Moderator
                            last edited by

                            Twilight have a Bauhuas lamp scene to test speed (or rather boast on your setup) that would make an interesting test here.

                            Though a generic Cornell Box scene would suffice.

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                            • HieruH Offline
                              Hieru
                              last edited by

                              I agree that the Bauhaus lamp would be pretty good.

                              As another option I've got a challenging product-viz scene with difficult glass materials. It's based on a photo which would be good for this purpose, as the end results could be judged according to how closely they resemble reality (taking time - both set-up and rendering - into consideration). My only reservation is that different approaches to materials could skew the results.

                              www.davidhier.co.uk

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                              • andybotA Offline
                                andybot
                                last edited by

                                @hieru said:

                                It would be interesting to see the quality. Infact it would be good to see a test scene rendered using all of the software in the poll.

                                Well, if anyone wants to compare this test with other rendering software, I'd be curious to see other results.

                                @holmes1977: I'd be curious to see the image output too. If it's similar, I would say the roughly 1:6 difference between biased and unbiased speed still holds.

                                http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                                • holmes1977H Offline
                                  holmes1977
                                  last edited by

                                  I can post the picture but am out of the office till Tuesday, so will have to wait.
                                  The picture looks the same, if not a wee bit darker.

                                  Exaggeration makes a dull story better.

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                                  • HieruH Offline
                                    Hieru
                                    last edited by

                                    Thinking about it, I don't think my Skog Lamp scene would be suitable (too many variables). It might be good for a render-this thread as we haven't had one in a while.

                                    Yes/no?

                                    www.davidhier.co.uk

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                                    • jason_marantoJ Offline
                                      jason_maranto
                                      last edited by

                                      I do enjoy the "render this" series.

                                      Best,
                                      Jason.

                                      I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                                      • jason_marantoJ Offline
                                        jason_maranto
                                        last edited by

                                        I decided to create the survey I suggested a few pages back -- you can check it out here http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZZJD8LM

                                        Since this a free account I think it will only allow 100 responses -- but I'll post the results here after it completes.

                                        The idea is to to get a clearer idea of what is really important to SketchUp users when deciding on which external render engine they will use... this service just supports a more complex type of poll than forum software usually provides.

                                        Best,
                                        Jason.

                                        I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                                        • E Offline
                                          Ecuadorian
                                          last edited by

                                          Most interesting poll. Here in Latin America Artlantis is still very popular, and so is V-ray. Thea is unheard of here, but it looks like it's the favorite of SUC members.

                                          I'd suggest splitting the poll in two:

                                          -Favorite for still images
                                          -Favorite for animation

                                          Some of us work almost exclusively with animations.

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                                          • andybotA Offline
                                            andybot
                                            last edited by

                                            Hi Miguel,
                                            I'd be very interested too in knowing more about how people do animation from Sketchup, which plugins are preferred. May be worth another thread for that discussion.
                                            -Andy

                                            http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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