Has the 3D Warehouse died or is it just me?
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Rich has a great idea. I don't use the 3D outhouse that much for all the reasons stated above. For great models from great modelers. .. this would be the place. I'd love to glom off of you guys.
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@unknownuser said:
How about we just do it ourselves here?
huh!?
Take over fixing the 3DWH or creating our own?
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@unknownuser said:
creating our own
exactly a member driven library of optimized models. We could make it trade based/subscription based/whatever based. Main thing is it's only quality content
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Part of the issue would be creating a whole new format or site for such a thing. However, I think there are some options within the warehouse that allow for collaboration and grouping of models. Perhaps all it would take would be a group where any sketchucation member is invited to add models. I'm not sure how easy it is to search or organize just those models though so it could get messy.
-Brodie
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I agree with the thoughts about 3DWH in the first couple of posts and would like to add one more. SU has been around long enough for users to get some skill and experience, that means more effort and complexity us going into the models being made. Maybe the 10 MB limit prevents some from being uploaded, maybe some aren't as willing to share their hard work knowing they'll get nothing for it but leeches. I have a model up that was downloaded almost 8,000 times before it got a star rating.
As far as a SCF warehouse, that sound like a great idea. It would provide a resource for quality models and I suggest that it could generate money for the site. Charge downloaders a reasonable flat fee per model, don't panic yet my fellow underpaid... Allow contributors credits for uploading models, I.e share a model, get credited x model downloads in return. That way the site gets some monetary support, those of us without a lot of cash can get some nice models for a little work on our part and the warehouse would grow.
The trouble is policing it and verifying model quality.
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I use the WH, quite a bit in my business, and I agree with Pete (solo) it needs to be controlled and regulated, there is entirely too much CRAP on it.
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@patrickbateman said:
It seems like the 3D warehouse hasn't grown much
As far as I experienced, 3D Warehouse is almost exploding of models. It's hard to get numbers, but with some Google research you get at least 5 million unique models.
But it's true that most models are not useful for re-use, there are many beginner models, some good geo-models and too many Building Maker models, there are lots of children uploading every day several baublery models etc.
What we need is maybe a directory of quality models that are suitable for rendering and a set of criteria what models can be added to the directory. 3D Warehouse has unlimited storage (but 10MB per model) and a fast server infrastructure and search engine so it wouldn't make sense to create a competing site from scratch.
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The only 3DWH models I've actually used in projects have been appliances and than goodness I don't need them very often. The ones I've used have clearly be converted from 3D CAD or other files and are obese with unneeded hidden lines and internal "junk". I end up spending a lot of time cleaning them up but at least they are already the right size.
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I definitely like the idea of the Sketchucation Model Repository.
How about a ratio system. You need to maintain a certain give and take ratio in order to have downloading access to models. You have to give one for every two you take or something. Also a mandatory rating system. If you haven't rated your previous download, you temporarily lose downloading privileges until you add the rating. If a model gets more than 10 minimum ratings, then it's removed.
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we discussed this idea before... I like it... but the cost of offering that many downloads and uploads would cost a lot.
but if you guys wanna give it try I'm down to help. I have a few ideas on how to offset costs or even pay people per model.
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Cool, looks like a plan is coming together.
Just remember it has to be original content (we do not wanna deal with lawyers).
I'd also suggest having a section for materials, again only original stuff.
Maybe even, Vismats, visopts, Theamats, styles, etc.
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How about a system whereby you lease space on a server. The larger your collection the more it costs. But you keep 100% of the sale. You can raise/lower your size as needed. This would prevent you having unwanted models sitting there?
The main thing here is you control your pricing. You can offer services etc.
It could be invite based so we know the quality is kosher.
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i would be game for any system as long as it is not this. . .
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@earthmover said:
I definitely like the idea of the Sketchucation Model Repository.
How about a ratio system. You need to maintain a certain give and take ratio in order to have downloading access to models. You have to give one for every two you take or something. Also a mandatory rating system. If you haven't rated your previous download, you temporarily lose downloading privileges until you add the rating. If a model gets more than 10 minimum ratings, then it's removed.
I think giving a lot of requirements would be prohibitive. I think by nature that it would be from the sketchucation community would weed out most of the crap and encourage people to share. I don't think a ratio system or restrictions should be in place. Maybe have a one-time mandatory upload before you can download anything and get access? So every user would have to upload a quality model and have it get approved before gaining access to download anything.
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The question is, how long will it take for a SCF certified model to wind up in the 3DWH with some snot nosed prick taking full credit for it?
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@patrickbateman said:
I think giving a lot of requirements would be prohibitive. I think by nature that it would be from the sketchucation community would weed out most of the crap and encourage people to share. I don't think a ratio system or restrictions should be in place. Maybe have a one-time mandatory upload before you can download anything and get access? So every user would have to upload a quality model and have it get approved before gaining access to download anything.
The point is to stop the leeching. It's essentially time sharing. A professionals time spent on giving something away is time not spent earning money. If it is reciprocal then it's not just time spent to provide the lazy with a means take and profit from anothers generosity. I mean let's face it, there is a whole arm of the 3D industry that does nothing more than build boxes and fill it full of stuff they've leeched or pirated. To them 3D visualization is like playing with a doll house and rearranging furniture. In the end, the clients have no idea, but the integrity of the industry suffers greatly.
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@unknownuser said:
The point is to stop the leeching. It's essentially time sharing. A professionals time spent on giving something away is time not spent earning money. If it is reciprocal then it's not just time spent to provide the lazy with a means take and profit from anothers generosity. I mean let's face it, there is a whole arm of the 3D industry that does nothing more than build boxes and fill it full of stuff they've leeched or pirated. To them 3D visualization is like playing with a doll house and rearranging furniture. In the end, the clients have no idea, but the integrity of the industry suffers greatly
Well said, and I totally agree.
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I think we can pay each modeler to build a lot of the models and then give them away for free...
you ask how could such craziness work?
if you go and search as an architect might while deciding what door to use in your next model. you might search Pella's website, Jen-Weld, Andersen... yada yada... every construction product manufacturer on the planet pays someone to model every product they produce, if they don't they're planning on it. if you search the websites I mentioned you'll find their models don't represent the product well or are not available in sketchup format. for instance on interior door, one style has some 88 variations of itself. 6' 7' and 8' heights, 1' through 6' width variations... not to mention sub styles. and this is just one door from one company in one style. I have tested myself building a set of these doors and can finish the 88 in about an hour. once you have the style done, editing it to different sizes is fairly quick. now if you charged a company $10 for each door; that would be $880 for the set. now different products are going to have different modeling times.
this would pay the individual modeler and give a profit region for SCF and even perhaps allow us to lean on the various product company servers for our downloads. they will of course be hosting the models on their own servers, so we could hard link to the files in our database and allow search here without hosting.
with the professionals here devising a set of model standards and the power of the SCF community to point future users to this collection and thus their products... I think it could be a great way to accomplish a few goals simultaneously.
- allowing work hungry modelers to get paid
- building a repository of clean, professional models
- expanding the SCF community
- cleaning up product website models and making architectural modeling easier on everyone.
- expanding the foot print of sketchup in the professional world.
of course this idea would need a sales staff of sorts approaching companies and offering the service and then someone assigning the work list and people arguing about who gets what work...
I don't know... what do you think?
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@krisidious said:
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of course this idea would need a sales staff of sorts approaching companies and offering the service and then someone assigning the work list and people arguing about who gets what work...
You may be interested in this topic and its accompanying web site from three years ago.
You are right (although I think your idea in quotes is a bit wonky) but be prepared for some irrational rants about advertising and webdialogs as I got in similar topics around that time.
But good luck - it might just happen if people can accept necessary commercial reality.
I am trying from a different perspective based on very similar ideas.
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