HMS Victory 1765
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@tadema said:
The thick end of a weeks drawing and the computers groaning, it's like the wife; past it's best and badly needing upgrading. I would have carried on with her rigging her for full sails but at 460k edges & 194k faces I'm unsure what will happen when textures are applied. Loved almost every minute of the drawing, now for the tedious part, hope I can do her justice!
JohnEven the largest models can be cut down with good use of layers helping the computer deal with large file sizes! Hipe you can keep going this model is awesome!
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Thanks Liam, the truth is I've never used layers yet! it's bad practice on my part. There again I've never modeled anything this large.
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@tadema said:
Thanks Liam, the truth is I've never used layers yet! it's bad practice on my part. There again I've never modeled anything this large.
cheers Johnts not too late you can put different parts on layers at any time, I would do it asap so you can keep going you wont believe how much it will help!
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What a task!
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Wow!
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Phew! well I've certainly learned a few lessons with this one, ie use layers next time.
John
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redone
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Outstanding! Why don't you post it the top gallery, now?
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Fantastic!
I can hardly believe you could do it without using layers to manipulate group/instance visibility!
And of course publishing a photo of the ship and then pretending it's your model is cheating big time...
Of course I jest! Your render is perhaps too realistic, if anything!Can I also suggest another one, in an open, slightly rolling, sea; with an angry sky??
With some layers you could also add sails - aaargh -
Thank you again Bryan.
Thank you Tig, It was a chore without layers but lessons learned! I'm going to render a few scenes and your stormy sea sounds good. -
Another view, this time as suggested by The sTIG.
John
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Great.
Pretty much spot on, although I prefer to see either all of the ship or a distinct part... the cropping of the end tip of the jib-boom and the bow's water-line/wake jars with me [a little]...
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Very nice work on this model.
Out of curiosity, can you house the guns and close the port lids? In your last couple of images, she'd be shipping a lot of water, especially through the gun deck ports. The elm tree pumps would be working over time.
And not to harp on the layers thing but, in addition to making it easier to handle the model in SketchUp, with the guns on their own layer or maybe a separate layer for each deck and the same for the port lids, you could show them closed or beat to quarters and have them open with the guns run out. -
This is beautiful piece of work! And unbelievable fast one also - I can hardly keep pace with it
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Hello Tig, a pair of fresh eyes is great, I never even noticed. Another 2 set back a little.
Hello Dave, I was thinking exactly the same but the "datum" line on the plan is what I followed! I sure would not like to sail on her with all those gun ports; she has more holes in her than "wor lasses vest"
Hello numbthumb, I'll make a few more renders first then give it a shot with sails.
John
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If you've ever seen the Russel Crowe file 'Master and Commander' it's a great insight into the difficulties of sailing a warship of this period. At all levels for commanding it to crewing it...
The gun-ports would normally be tightly shut with the guns stowed - this was where many of the crew lived as there wasn't that much space on board. In battle they'd literally 'clear-the-decks' and then open them on the required side[s] and laod/fire 'on the roll' as the the ship came up, to increase distance/accuracy. One of the the least popular jobs was manning the bilge-pumps to keep the ship half-afloat as water streamed into the gun-ports. or worse still through cracks in the hull either from stress or made by enemy fire - the ships' carpenters were at their most busy re-caulking the sprung planks and sometimes nailing on literally anything they could lay there hand on to stop a serious breach.
One fascinating part of that film is when they call battle-stations the offices gather on the quarterdeck whilst the well-oiled crew quickly store the captains [few] possessions in wooden chests and then remove the wooden partition and doors between his cabin and the main gun-deck so that then extra guns can be rolled into his cabin with their extra gun-ports opened in paneled walls around that part of the hull - talk about maximizing fire-power... -
Amazing, John. Simply amazing.
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Dave I've just double checked and the waterline is 4.3m below the lowest gun port, not a lot but when you look at the model, the middle mast is 24m above the deck. She's some size!
TIG the conditions aboard must have been horrific, no wonder a lot walked the plank!
John, thank you.
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Great Work Tadema, just a few things Ive noticed.
The headrails,The victory has 3 including the main top one,you have 4 and they are quite unaccurate, I know how hard they are to get correct but it is one of the most distinctive areas on these ships and is well worth the time spent in getting it 100%.
The Masts all seem a little short and thin, the main mast main yard on the real victory extends over the side almost 50% of the ships width on ither side.
Some of the most important Lower Standing Rig lines are missing, Will you still be adding them later?
Overall it looks great,Id love to see the figurehead and the sterncastle
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Hello Marius, you could be correct all I now about ships/boats is the pointy bit goes to the front!The plans I have are 1.78 scale and I've checked the dimensions and they are correct (going on the drawings), please take a look at the front view attatched. Sorry but could you explain the handrails. I planned on doing all the sails/rigging but was unsure if SU could handle the file size, but I'll add them. This was only a fun project and I'm sure I've made a good few mistakes, it's been fun and the (if) next one will be an improvement.
John
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