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    • T Offline
      tvcasualty
      last edited by

      Thanks but that's not quite what I'm after...
      This is what Layout / Sketchup needs to do:
      std iso 3 view...
      I want to show this in Layout, only I'd like it to show as vectors (not as raster), and if it's not too much more to ask, I'd like that to export as a dxf.

      Note, it should also work for holes, and not just square cut outs (if I drew a hole, the hidden line does not show up as an edge).

      Thanks again for your response though.

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
        last edited by

        If you turn your inserted SU model to vector or hybrid rendering mode than right click and explode it, you can assign any kind of line weights, colours or styles to the individual edges.

        Also (with LO 3 now) you can export it to dwg/dxf.

        What you showed, how would be achieved in SU?

        Gai...

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        • B Offline
          bjanzen
          last edited by

          So if your style has back edges turned on in SketchUp, you should see those in LayOut. Is that not working for you? If you don't have LO3, does changing face style to X-ray work for you in 2.1? It does for me.

          b

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          • W Offline
            walzo
            last edited by

            I'm guessing the issue here is that Layout doesn't display hidden lines in vector mode (I wish it did!). Correct Gaieus? Ideally one wouldn't have to explode a model, thereby losing the capacity to remodel it in Sketchup.

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            • GaieusG Offline
              Gaieus
              last edited by

              Not in vector mode but in hybrid mode it does (where your edges are vectors but your textures are raster). Probably the most resource hungry mode however.


              Tímárház.png


              Tímárház_1.png

              Gai...

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              • bmikeB Offline
                bmike
                last edited by

                @gaieus said:

                Not in vector mode but in hybrid mode it does (where your edges are vectors but your textures are raster). Probably the most resource hungry mode however.

                Not seeing this in hybrid, was really hoping for it on a complex project...
                Will have to settle for vector, I guess.

                mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                • Dave RD Offline
                  Dave R
                  last edited by

                  Looks like Back Edges will only display in Raster mode.

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
                    last edited by

                    Above, my rendering was in hybrid. Note that back edges is a face style actually so you cannot expect it to work in vector mode but in hybrid mode they should appear (however not as vector edges but as a raster effect on the face itself as far as I can tell or at least imagine).

                    Gai...

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                    • Dave RD Offline
                      Dave R
                      last edited by

                      I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.

                      Original SU image with style updated:


                      http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/5709861352_611f5b9c6b.jpg

                      LO Raster render:


                      http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/5709297161_9994d5eba2_z.jpg

                      LO Hybrid render:


                      http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/5709297299_4b978f7b43_z.jpg

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                      • bmikeB Offline
                        bmike
                        last edited by

                        @dave r said:

                        I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.

                        Original SU image with style updated:


                        http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/5709861352_611f5b9c6b.jpg

                        LO Raster render:


                        http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/5709297161_9994d5eba2_z.jpg

                        LO Hybrid render:


                        http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/5709297299_4b978f7b43_z.jpg

                        Same here. I even exported to PDF, to make sure I wasn't missing something.
                        And set display of models to 'high'. No dice.

                        mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                        • J Offline
                          jhauswirth
                          last edited by

                          LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
                          It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
                          everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
                          draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

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                          • bmikeB Offline
                            bmike
                            last edited by

                            @jhauswirth said:

                            LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
                            It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
                            everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
                            draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

                            Would be great to have it available in hybrid... but in my limited testing it would need some finesse on the software side.

                            I thought it might work to do 2 viewports, one in raster, another on top in vector, but I can't seem to get that to work - although I did think it possible to have 2 or more windows stacked atop one another with transparent backgrounds...

                            mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                            • Dave RD Offline
                              Dave R
                              last edited by

                              Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.

                              To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.


                              back edges test.pdf

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                              • bmikeB Offline
                                bmike
                                last edited by

                                @dave r said:

                                Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.

                                To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.

                                Just figured that out by doing a similar test with something I'm working on. Only time it would make sense for me would be for complex joinery / shop drawings...

                                mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                • Dave RD Offline
                                  Dave R
                                  last edited by

                                  Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.

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                                  • bmikeB Offline
                                    bmike
                                    last edited by

                                    @dave r said:

                                    Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.

                                    I guess the raster would be fine. But I have no idea in actual practice. I've only used vector for line heavy work, and hybrid for anything with color and shadows...

                                    I've sent a few pages off to plot with the overlay and with just the raster. We'll see how they plot out.

                                    mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                    • GaieusG Offline
                                      Gaieus
                                      last edited by

                                      @jhauswirth said:

                                      LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
                                      It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
                                      everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
                                      draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

                                      😳
                                      I may have remembered my (old) post above wrong then, sorry.

                                      Gai...

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                                      • bmikeB Offline
                                        bmike
                                        last edited by

                                        Nice thing about backedges, even if they don't render in hybrid or vector - is that they do allow you to snap when section cutting through a model...

                                        mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                                        • B Offline
                                          bertsminky
                                          last edited by

                                          I did the two SU Scenes onto two LO layers and at first it showed perfectly well then after going back to it one of the scenes had become a solid form - ie you couldnt see through it to the other scene/layer behind ?
                                          Any idea on why this would happen cos it had me scratching my head for a while - in the end i drew a clipping mask but for the backedges example above this wouldnt be suitable.

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                                          • Dave RD Offline
                                            Dave R
                                            last edited by

                                            Bert, could you post the LO file so we can see? It could be something fairly straightforward.

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