SketchUP 8
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john,
thanks for taking the time to answer these. I am very appreciative of your support.
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@cadmunkey said:
@jbacus said:
@cadmunkey said:
Jeez.. no 64 bit version in 2010? C'mon Google you've dropped the ball! You beta testers couldnt persuade them?
What benefit do you hope to gain from a 64-bit version of SketchUp? This is really this question that needs to be discussed.
john
.John I hope you are joking. Obviously more memory space and the ability to render out complex models.
I think I've already answered the question about rendering large models. Rendering engines, which do benefit from 64-bit processing, can be run today in their own 64-bit environment.
Performance is clearly important to all our users, but "64-bit" isn't really the technology that I'd bring to bear to improve SketchUp's performance next.
john
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@jbacus said:
If it took 18 hours to explode your model, then it doesn't seem to me that it was very simple! 'Explode' operations are a good example of the sort of computation that benefits from a single fast processor core (not from multicore or from 64-bit).
Explode is notorious slow though. So is adding entities when there is existing entities. If you do an iteration it'll take longer as it progresses. I'm guessing it's related to how SU merge entities together - which is why Explode slows down? (Say you have a 50K faces in a terrain.)
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@jbacus said:
Performance is clearly important to all our users, but "64-bit" isn't really the technology that I'd bring to bear to improve SketchUp's performance next.
But could LargeAddressAware be an option? I'm using VfSU and it's not a studio render but it won't be for a long time.
Now, I'm not expecting that SU should address design issues by third parties, but since from teh description of it, LargeAddresAware is a compilation flag - it's pretty much free, then would this not be a nice boost?
Sorry for nag on this very topic, but I'm really curious if it'd be possible for SU. I've heard of people that's hacked the SU executable to enable this flag and was able to run it without any reported issues.
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@thomthom said:
Kindof is... SU was designed as a sketching application. By the sound of it, more render apps are moving to studio solutions - to escape the 32bit limitation of SU.
Using Ruby, it is possible to access an engine running outside SketchUp's process while still maintaining UI inside the SketchUp application. It is not necessary to switch to a full 'studio' solution. There are several examples of rendering engines that do this successfully on the market today.
I'm not familiar with the "LargeAddressAware" flag in Visual Studio, but wouldn't expect it to be a panacea. Since this is a holiday weekend in the US, I'm not going to bother Tyler with this until Tuesday.
john
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@jbacus said:
I think I've already answered the question about rendering large models. Rendering engines, which do benefit from 64-bit processing, can be run today in their own 64-bit environment.
Performance is clearly important to all our users, but "64-bit" isn't really the technology that I'd bring to bear to improve SketchUp's performance next.
john
.If it is like you say so be it, but we still havent got the improvements to make SU work as we need, 64bit or not.
I think a lot of our "rage" is very much caused by Googles lack of communication with the community about these issues back when v7 was released and we voiced our concern that these issues weren't adressed in that release. We also filled that wishlist with our needs so I think you had all the time to come back to us for more information what we meant and didnt have to wait until now for that.
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@jbacus said:
I'm not familiar with the "LargeAddressAware" flag in Visual Studio, but wouldn't expect it to be a panacea. Since this is a holiday weekend in the US, I'm not going to bother Tyler with this until Tuesday.
Oh no - no need rush with this right this second. It would just be nice if it could be looked into. It would have the benefit of not having to refit to 64bit system, or the performance hit of 64bit. As the MSDN article says:
@unknownuser said:
It is a good practice to specify large-address-aware when building 32-bit applications, by using the linker flag /LARGEADDRESSAWARE, even if the application is not intended for a 64-bit platform, because of the advantages that are gained at no cost.
Though, the caveat is:
@unknownuser said:
However, developers must be careful that pointer assumptions are not made, such as assuming that the high-bit is never set in a 32-bit pointer. In general, enabling the /LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag is a good practice.
So, from what I gather here is, that as long as SU doesn't make assumptions about the high-bit in it's pointers then this would mean 2 GB extra at virtually no labour at all. It'd be a nice bone to throw out there for all the cries for more memory.
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@rv1974 said:
"No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer." -Bill Gates, 1981
"64-bit processing will have no benefit" -John Bacus. 2010(sic!)
Be polite. I'm making a more complex point than you're giving me credit for making.
john
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@pixero said:
We also filled that wishlist with our needs so I think you had all the time to come back to us for more information what we meant and didnt have to wait until now for that.
I think we got all the information we needed. I've been pretty transparent about the Product Ideas series, and have answered many of the posts there over the last few months– either right in the series (see "Answered Questions") or in the official SketchUp Help Forums. And as I've said elsewhere in this thread, I think we knocked off a respectable number of the top requests in SU8.
If the pressing issues that you feel we should have addressed in SU8 didn't rise to the top of the voting in our series last fall, it could be that they are simply not as important to everyone as you think they should be. We had over 12,000 votes by the end of the series, so I think we got a pretty good sample. You can review the final series to see where your ideas fell if you like: 2009 SketchUp Product Ideas
Don't let your feelings about how this went last time prevent you from participating this time. We've already got over 2000 votes on 120 topics, and we're less than a week into the voting. Head over to the 2010 SketchUp Questions and Ideas Series and make your voice heard.
john
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my extracted plugins are all working but i can not see them on the plugins folder..
anyone knows how to be able to see them? i want to delete some installed plugins.
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@onesimo said:
my extracted plugins are all working but i can not see them on the plugins folder..
anyone knows how to be able to see them? i want to delete some installed plugins.
It'd be better if you asked this question in a separate thread.
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I am using SU as an architect for seven years now and still think it was a great idea to start with.
Now ,reading all these remarks, I like to ask if it isn't about time that some folks start to think about making a real professional modelling program, ahead from the free Sketchup versions and much more aimed to the needs for all professional users.
Come on, folks, show me...
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@unknownuser said:
@jbacus said:
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world. In many parts of the world, you can now build a site model with accurate terrain, aerial and street-level photography and rough massing models for adjacent structures in minutes... without leaving your desk.
john
.Working for an architect I see this as a huge improvement as well. I was able to generate the entire site for a local airport we are working on in only minutes. Wow I say, wow.
It may seem that this release has been geared more for Google Earth but all the added functionality I will be able to use in my workflow and I have never contributed to Google Earth.
Although I might soon enough.lol
i used this one simple video to send to the homeoffice showing a site we're planning for and immediately received approval to upgrade to su8.[flash=660,405:1tx6wjvl]http://www.youtube.com/v/TRcNgLDk7OA?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0&color1=0x2b405b&color2=0x6b8ab6&border=1[/flash:1tx6wjvl]
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Does 83$ something for a Pro Office?
It's a meal at Mc Donald for 3 persons
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@unknownuser said:
Does 83$ something for a Pro Office?
It's a meal at Mc Donald for 3 personsMaybe for a small office, but if you have a number of licenses that would need to be upgraded for everyone to use the same, costs can grow rapidly and bosses can start questioning the need for that upgrade.
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We have 4 licenses so it's a bit more but still, it's a very cheap upgrade relatively speaking.
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@jbacus said:
@rv1974 said:
"No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer." -Bill Gates, 1981
"64-bit processing will have no benefit" -John Bacus. 2010(sic!)
Be polite. I'm making a more complex point than you're giving me credit for making.
john
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'I don't think ordinary users will see any benefit from a 64-bit SketchUp'-
http://www.deelip.com/?p=2643
Being responsible for your sayings\deeds (or lack of deeds)- that's what I'd call to be 'polite' -
When you see how 'Solid tools' and SDS 2 work together (new quad subdivision) it will be reason enough for the organic modelers out there.
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@unknownuser said:
Does 83$ something for a Pro Office?
It's a meal at Mc Donald for 3 personsYes, but 8 seats are 760$(!)...
Not sure V8 is worth that much to us, when we need to rely on other programs either way.
be it Maxwell Studio (since inserting high-poly props inside SU is a no-go) or Other Tools for UV Mapping.
Might as well consider a seat or two of Modo / C4D / Other and upgrade our Modeling Capabilities along the way.
We won't stop using SU (anytime soon). but as we read the map (and the developers answers)
our future and SU future is not heading in the same direction.On a side note, I'm all up for the notion of SU as a Platform - I Don't need Google to develop tools for SU.
I'd Happily PAY for Grade-A Ruby scripts (as I've done before). I think that this community is the true power behind SU.
But if it is a Platform - then be it A PLATFORM! (= Fast, Able to host Plugins/Render Engines, with a decent API & Tools for Developers)
Take a note from Android - Also by Google. Google hasn't developed 10% of the Apps on the Market.
But they sure as hell developed a SOLID PLATFORM. Can you imagine it come to a crawl when trying to use an App?
If this is a PRO product (and it sure has cost as one) - I expect it to Handle a PRO workflow and demands (eg. - High Poly Count).
I Really LOVE sketchup, but that's just the thing that annoys me the most -
I can see the HUGE potential (it can be a one-stop-shop for us as architects)
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
@jbacus said:
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world. In many parts of the world, you can now build a site model with accurate terrain, aerial and street-level photography and rough massing models for adjacent structures in minutes... without leaving your desk.
john
.Working for an architect I see this as a huge improvement as well. I was able to generate the entire site for a local airport we are working on in only minutes. Wow I say, wow.
It may seem that this release has been geared more for Google Earth but all the added functionality I will be able to use in my workflow and I have never contributed to Google Earth.
Although I might soon enough.lol
i used this one simple video to send to the homeoffice showing a site we're planning for and immediately received approval to upgrade to su8.Brilliant news!! Thanks very much John! I'm so pleased that I didn't buy 7.1 Pro. Well worth the wait!
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