Job Requirements
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Are there really people out there who have mastered this many programs?
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Absolutely. That is not all that bad really. Those are all pretty standard architecture visualization softwares. I'd almost consider applying if it wasn't on the other side of the country (ok,ok, and I am not 'expert' in all those software, though I've used them all).
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hmmm...
I've always been hesitant to apply when they ask for 'expert' or 'mastery' of any app, heck I do not even consider myself any of those titles with sketchup even.
...but then again my wife says I under sell myself.
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I would be very impressed if some one could fill that job. Its like one person bidding the job then doing the architecture then the engineering and the doing the steel detailing and then the mechanical work. The person would have to be in the building industry for years just to know how it all flows as well as be on top of all the software.
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The guy who gets that job will be pretty rare... writing his own pay-check... they want a 'one-man team'.
They really need at least two or three guys [on reasonable salaries] who work together to do this !
Even if the one guy they want exists he won't have enough hours in the day to do all of the data processing and work that'd come from using all of these applications at once - e.g. if he can use Camtasia he'd only have 5 minute slot in his busy weekly schedule to think about it, then he have to move on to the next thing!
Perhaps we should apply for the job as 'a team' instead
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@solo said:
hmmm...
I've always been hesitant to apply when they ask for 'expert' or 'mastery' of any app, heck I do not even consider myself any of those titles with sketchup even.
...but then again my wife says I under sell myself.
This is exactly my point in my Coleshill Church thread. Essentially I think, it is lack of confidence, and all us creatives get it.
What you tend to find mostly, is that those employers advertising for the work, generally are clueless to what is actually needed. They just print this, because actually they don't know themselves (as you are the 'expert' anyway
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@tfdesign said:
What you tend to find mostly, is that those employers advertising for the work, generally are clueless to what is actually needed.
That's true to a degree, I think. But there's currently another factor that comes into play: the crisis. There's fairly little vacant jobs out there, and quite a few more unemployed. Thus requirements skyrocket.
An example: I recently applied for a writing position at a museum - they needed someone to write press releases etc. Now, I have two art degrees, a couple of years experience as a copywriter/editor AND I used to be an art critic for one of the biggest papers in the country. You'd think I make a chance, right? Certainly considering it wasn't even a fulltime job. I didn't even make through the first selection round.
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@unknownuser said:
[I didn't even make through the first selection round.
That could have been for a number of reasons. For one, it is a legal requirement that companies must advertise jobs, even though they know full well that the person who is going to get the job already works as an employee, even a volunteer. I got the work to do Coleshill, because I was a volunteer, and a colleague in the same room got another post, because he was a volunteer, even though three of the applicants were better qualified than he was.
You could have even been overqualified, or even, and this is terrible- but it has also happened to me, been called a liar, because my experience outshone the post (a salesman in a photographic shop).
BTW, I used to freelance, as a photographer, for The Independent and The Guardian in the early 1990's. (The days when the internet was known as 'the wire' and cost about the same price as a house!!).
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PS, and sorry for the 2nd post, The moral of this story is;
"Don't give up"
Just because someone else tells you, you can't.
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It just doesn't sound all that extreme to me, I guess. I think I'm reading between the lines a little though. I read all the words and then I think: "Oh they just want someone who can do full rendered images and videos, and compile them in Camtasia. And the person will probably be architecturally trained since they want someone who can use Revit and some basic structure software". As we pointed out, the upper ups don't know what an "expert" is. They just know they want a final product that looks like it was made by an expert.
Which is why I think Solo could apply and be seriously considered (though I'm not sure what your Revit experience is). But as for rendereing and graphical output capabilities, Solo, you would meet their expectations of quality.
And, it never says the position is a one man show. It could very well be a position in a small team of 3 or something. Maybe it was the other 2 who dictated what the new memeber should be able to, based on their own deficiencies
Chris
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@tfdesign said:
[For one, it is a legal requirement that companies must advertise jobs, even though they know full well that the person who is going to get the job already works as an employee, even a volunteer.
Yeah, I know.
@tfdesign said:
BTW, I used to freelance, as a photographer, for The Independent and The Guardian in the early 1990's.
Pretty cool.
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I can't even spell Camtassssian let alone use it. But I am an absolute expert in everything else. (right)
Knowing the architectural profession as it is right now. . .This job probably pays 10 bucks an hour.
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@chris fullmer said:
It just doesn't sound all that extreme to me, I guess.
ChrisExtreme?
A required mastery of:
Revit
AutoCAD3D
AutoCAD Architecture
3DS MAX
Photoshop
Tekla
Rhino
Frank Gehry's proprietary 3D platform
CATIA
Bentley Microstation
SketchUpand I've left out a few.
You would have had to work at several very different offices to acquire that knowledge. I don't think there are a lot of outfits that use both AutoCAD Architecture and Bentley Microstation. And most heavy AutoCAD 3D users hand off their work to someone else to render in 3DS MAX. Throw in Revit and put it all on a resume and it sounds like someone who's been bouncing all over the map from job to job.
And David_H is probably right - it pays $10 an hour.
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Well, you have misquoted them. They ask for expert/mastery of these softwares only:
- Revit
- AutoCad 3d
- 3dsMax for rendering and animation and simulations
- Camtasia studio
Experience with:
- Photoshop and other graphics softwares (probably illustrator, Painter type stuff)
- Some database or spreadsheet experience and familiarity with macros or basic logic code is beneficial
Some experience would be beneficial of the following:
- Tekla Structures
- McNeel Rhino
- Gehry Technologies Digital Project
- CATIA
- RAM, SAP, STAAD, ETABS, NASTRAN
- Bentley Microstation
- Google Sketchup and Google Earth
And perhaps the most telling line is this one:
@unknownuser said:
General ability to render an image from start to finish
It sounds to me like they just want someone who can make awesome renders and graphics using the software they own and like. And other softwares might come in handy from time to time.
Looking at it that way, it doesn't look like nearly so much I think. Mostly just cad, Revit, 3dsMax and Camtasia. I think most architects graduate from school with experience in most of those, except maybe Camtasia. But that is not the hardest software to learn - its not like it is Autodesk's like of compositing software suite.
Anyhow, sure it is a lot of software, and no not everyone could do it. But I think there are probably many who could. It is a professional level skillset for an arch/vis artist.
In the end though, the most important thing is really the graphic skills. Knowing the software won't get you far if you don't have good graphic skillz.
Chris
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Okay, I concede your point.
But I'm still intimidated.
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Me too!
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It's kinda sad in a way . .. It used to be--Back in my day (he said in a crotchety, crackly old man voice) it used to be:
Knowledge of Architecture and bulding systems
Superior Drawing Skills, Freehand and drafting. . .Man. .. do I feel old.
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@unknownuser said:
It's kinda sad in a way . .. It used to be--Back in my day (he said in a crotchety, crackly old man voice) it used to be:
Knowledge of Architecture and bulding systems
Superior Drawing Skills, Freehand and drafting. . .Man. .. do I feel old.
I saw a help wanted ad recently that called specifically for hand drafting skills. I had this image of some older guys (I'm an older guy so I can say that) who haven't changed their ways, looking for a new hire with old skills.
I almost answered the ad but then I thought: "Go find the old smudge powder, triangles, Mayline, rapidographs? Naw, I don't really want to go back to that."
Complain all I want about AutoCAD, but it doesn't smudge in the heat.
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It sounds like to me that they lost a very talented worker and they are trying to fill that person's shoe's without realizing just how valuable that person was. "Oh...so and so knew all this...the next person should too."
That is my impression anyway.
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As a poster earlier identified - this is likley the result of the market to some degree. IMHO - this sounds much like a mix between a request to hire a structural staff member that they also wantto share and be able to do the visualization work to keep them busy. To me - is sounds like a typical HR pass-by job of asking the person running the department that is making the hire what software applications the new hire will need to be proficient at, and then the combine it with the other 1/2 position they need to hire for. You know - work requirments for 2 ormore staff and the budget to hire one. One of the reasons I feel this way - the broad spectrum of softwares that are identified cover more than one area of expertise in the industry. I am familiar with quite a few of the applications - and to be able to master some of them in combination, you would need every waking hour and then some.
So - likely wishfull thinking on the firms side that these requirements could be met. Dont be intimidated - the worst they can do is say No thanks! Also - I have had people (new, or potential new hires) that have identified a level of competency for numerous applications on their resume, only to find out that they "used them for a semester back in college or trade school". Which of course also turns out to be 3 versions ago, and they aren't evene familiar with the current commands or UI.
Just my 2 take on it!
Bytor
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