Translators

thomthom

I wasn't thinking that we change the existing terms in SU. Plugins should use the terms used by Sketchup for consistency. But it was more of a reflection on how computer terms are used. And when translating, when one feel that the word is lacking in the target language, then basing it on the original might not be the best. As in the case of an Edge - it's not always representing the edge of something. So when transfering that to a new language, one might want to think twice.

Back to the case of French, and the term Edge - isn't there an French version of SU? What does it use?

thomthom

And what does the Entity Info window say when you select an Edge?

pilou

Edge style = "Style d'Arêtes" in French version of SU
Display edges = "Affichages des arêtes"
Profil = "Arêtes profilées"
Depthcue = "Arêtes avec effet de profondeur"
Extention = "Arêtes prolongées"
French is some prolix

Dan Rathbun

@unknownuser said:

Entity info = "Infos sur l'entité" ("s" is always written even when only one thing is selected
..., I see that English gives never s to "Info"

because it's the noun that is pluralized:
"Entity" (singular)
"Entities" (plural)

"Info" is a short slang for "Information"
"Information" is not pluralized, just as "Data" is not.

pilou

Entity info = "Infos sur l'entité" ("s" is always writed even only one thing is selected
French is prudent, I see that English gives never s to "Info" English is foolhardy
"Arête" again when one edge is selected
"2 Arêtes" when you select 2 edges

pilou

This explain that

Dan Rathbun

@thomthom said:

And what does the Entity Info window say when you select an Edge?

I think TT wants to know what the object title says in French.
(The dialog title is always the same.)
If a single edge is selected, it says "Edge" (in English.)
But when many objects are selected, the object title says (in English.): "n Entities" where n is the number selected.
Pilou already said ...
"Arête" [] when one edge is selected
"2 Arêtes" when you select 2 edges [etc]
Sp a Sketchup Edge is an 'Arête' in French, although a direct translation might give us 'Bord'... but it's not used in SUp...

Dan Rathbun

@unknownuser said:

Entity info = "Infos sur l'entité"

This is an example of non-direct translation.

Info de l'entité = Entity Info
Infos sur l'entité = About the entity
(If you capitalize the 'e' in entité, the Google translator gives "Entity Info" in English, for both phrases.)

Propriétés de l'Entité = Entity Properties

pilou

@unknownuser said:

This is an example of non-direct translation.

Yes it's the fix's title on the French SU Window info box !
In SU English Title is also fixed!

Ps Entities is very elaborate, elements is more curent

Dan Rathbun

@unknownuser said:

@unknownuser said:

This is an example of non-direct translation.

Yes it's the fixed title on the French SU Window info box !
In SU English Title is also fixed!

Ps Entities is very elaborate, elements is more curent

elaborate = formal?

We cannot call them element because the Ruby classname is Entity, and the Ruby collection of them is named Entities.
So we must be formal.

pilou

elaborate = literary

thomthom

Here's an example of a Norwegian translation problem:

Face = Overflate

Overflate is directly translated as Surface - as direct translation of Face doesn't sound good.

But, in SU there is a distinction between Face and Surface. If you click on a Face where the adjacent faces are separated by a soft edge, Entity Info then displays Surface.

That leads to a problem when translating to Norwegian, as one need to find a way to distinguish between Face and Surface., despite that both words really would have been translated as Overflate.

Using the MS search tool is of no futher help, as it only lists Overflate as translation for Face.

TIG

In English you can Inflate, Deflate, Reflate, Under-inflate and Over-inflate but not Overflate [though 'overflated' is sometimes used incorrectly to mean 'overinflated'] !
These are all generally to do with increasing or reducing something - like 'economic inflation, or to inflate a car-tyre'

Dan Rathbun

@thomthom said:

Here's an example of a Norwegian translation problem:

Face = Overflate

Overflate is directly translated as Surface - as direct translation of Face doesn't sound good.

But, in SU there is a distinction between Face and Surface. If you click on a Face where the adjacent faces are separated by a soft edge, Entity Info then displays Surface.

That leads to a problem when translating to Norwegian, as one need to find a way to distinguish between Face and Surface., despite that both words really would have been translated as Overflate.

In English the dimunitive of Face is Facet (considering 'Face' to be normative,) and the superlative is Surface. Athough SU doesn't seem to use all 3 heirarchal terms, you might use the dimunitive Fasett in Norwegian for Face, and the superlative Overflate for Surface, (if you don't think Flate sounds good for Face.)

thomthom

hm... interesting.
Though Fasett is not something that I'd immediately accommodate with a geometric Face.

Flate is a nice short word. At first I wasn't really sure - thinking it had too much of the meaning of Overflate. But giving it a second thought - I like it.

Edge = Linje
Face = Flate
Surface = Overflate

Would be interesting to see if I can find some 3D software in Norwegian that uses similar terms.

Well Dan - you make a better judge of Norwegian than I.