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    • F Offline
      farbs
      last edited by

      Hello Everyone.

      I am trying to build my roof in sketchup which has taken on this hyperbolic paraboloid/pringle/saddle shape.

      Any ideas on how to create this thing?

      I know its going to be a lot of sandboxing, but Im having trouble trying to figure out how to create the outline since the shape folds up on the north/south end, but folds down on the east/west end.

      My friend was able to build it in Rhino, but I would like to try it out in sketchup.

      Here is a pic of it in rhino:

      http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/farbs3231/Pringles.jpg

      TIA

      -Scott

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
        last edited by

        Hi Scott,

        That is a typical job for the "Soap, Skin and Bubble" plugin.

        http://www.tensile-structures.de/Bilder/bubble001.jpg

        Gai...

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        • soloS Offline
          solo
          last edited by

          For even more control you could use TIG's extrusion tools.

          http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/424/eerail.gif

          http://www.solos-art.com

          If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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          • F Offline
            farbs
            last edited by

            Thanks for such quick replies guys,

            TIG's extrusion tools, looks exactly like what I am looking for.

            Where can I get that?

            -Scott

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            • soloS Offline
              solo
              last edited by

              http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?p=217663#p217663

              http://www.solos-art.com

              If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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              • TIGT Offline
                TIG Moderator
                last edited by

                With EEbyRailsCapture.PNG
                Also don't forget 'K-tools' - that includes a 3D graphing section where you input the equation and it makes the mesh...Capture2.PNG

                TIG

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                • pilouP Offline
                  pilou
                  last edited by

                  What is K-tools?

                  The best free surface generator I know for some parametric surfaces is k3dsurf

                  Frenchy Pilou
                  Is beautiful that please without concept!
                  My Little site :)

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                  • TIGT Offline
                    TIG Moderator
                    last edited by

                    Crai Depot is busted so here it is...k_tools.rb
                    (c) Klaudius "mail@klaudiuskrusch.de"

                    TIG

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                    • pilouP Offline
                      pilou
                      last edited by

                      Thx ☀

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
                        last edited by

                        @tig said:

                        Crai Depot is busted so here it is...

                        For weeks I used to be unable to access the ruby depot, too. It seems to have a new URL now:
                        http://rhin.crai.archi.fr/RubyLibraryDepot/Ruby/RUBY_Library_Depot.htm

                        Google doesn't "know" about it yet - although the www version redirects here.

                        Gai...

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                        • TIGT Offline
                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by

                          Thanks, I was wondering what was up 😕 😒

                          TIG

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                          • jeff hammondJ Offline
                            jeff hammond
                            last edited by

                            hey scott..
                            the problem with using any of these plugins for this type of shape is they are only skinning but not necessarily handling the most difficult part which is making the outlining border..

                            here's a pretty simple method and you can do it without plugins (though i used two: lathe and booltools)

                            not so detailed step-by-step 🙂

                            pringle_roof.jpg

                            dotdotdot

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                            • TIGT Offline
                              TIG Moderator
                              last edited by

                              Jeff

                              A succinct example of how to use two processes to achieve your goal quickly...
                              👍

                              TIG

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                              • charly2008C Offline
                                charly2008
                                last edited by

                                Hi,

                                Yesterday I also tried to construct this part, had then given up because I could not find the right approach. My thinking was so fixated on the extrusion tools by TIG. Nothing against the extrusion tools, but for this case it was the wrong tool choice.

                                I'm always fascinated how simple processes can solve a problem in Sketchup and this is also a reason why I love this forum.

                                The method Jeff used allows also to determine the exact dimensions of the geometric shape and it shows again how efficient Sketchup is. Thanks to all who delivered Ideas for solving this process.

                                Karlheinz

                                He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                                • charly2008C Offline
                                  charly2008
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi,

                                  I have a question. Jeff started from a rectangular base. The shape from farbs looks like a trapezoid base like this one shown below (the saddle shape is made with TIGs EE by Rails).

                                  If i scale the circle in the way like Jeff did it i have in this case a small problem. But how to avoid it? I know I could just delete the protruding edges. But that would not be a correct solution.


                                  pringle_roof-2.jpg


                                  pringle_roof-2.skp

                                  He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                                  • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                    jeff hammond
                                    last edited by

                                    hmm.. maybe you're right.. it's not symmetrical along that axis..

                                    if that's the case, you might want to try the taper tool in FredoScale to get your intersecting oval into more of a guitar pick shape...

                                    exaggerated for illustration purpose

                                    or, you could probably use the taper tool on the skp i posted above and arrive at a similar shape.. (i don't have much time to play with it now.. i'm supposed to be drawing something for work 😄.. must_get_off_the_net)

                                    dotdotdot

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                                    • TIGT Offline
                                      TIG Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      OR make the 'saddle' a bit bigger than the ellipsoidal cylinder so that they do fully intersect ?
                                      Why does the initial EEbyRails created 'saddle' have to be 'exactly the same size' as the cutting-shape - it could be a lot bigger, then you could easily erase the unwanted parts with no loss of detail ??? 😕

                                      TIG

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                                      • charly2008C Offline
                                        charly2008
                                        last edited by

                                        Jeff, thanks for your answer. I will try your tips and will present the results here.

                                        Karlheinz

                                        He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                                        • charly2008C Offline
                                          charly2008
                                          last edited by

                                          Hello TIG,

                                          you're not wrong, so I could do it. But my endeavor was to move within the predetermined dimensions. One is always on the lookout for a better solution. Thanks for your advice.

                                          Karlheinz

                                          He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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                                          • charly2008C Offline
                                            charly2008
                                            last edited by

                                            as Jeff adviced i used Fredos Box Tapering tool to make it fit. The result is now perfectly.


                                            pringle_roof-2.jpg


                                            pringle_roof-2.jpg


                                            pringle_roof-2.skp

                                            He who makes no mistakes, makes nothing

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