Float toolbar on creation?

Jim

So to sum-up this thread, the API methods for managing Toolbars is either broken or lacks functionality in order to be effective?

thomthom

It sure is a mess. It does seem it's possible to enumerate the Ruby toolbar names.
But if the purpose is to prevent toolbars shifting about - then it's a fail.

xrok1

does anyone even know how they organise themslves when they jumble? is it alphabetically, native tools first...?
would it be exactly the same if you had 2 computers with same layout then installed same new plug?

thomthom

I've not been able to notice any patterns.

Jim

I could never find a pattern - it's just chaos. Sometimes they have absolute positions (x, y), but others appear to use the equivalent of -1 as a coordinate and these seem to float inside the toolbar area.

xrok1

its not even possible to be totally random on a computer is it?
has anyone ever tried on 2 machines to see if its the same?

thomthom

And I've never seen any other application where the toolbar behaves like this. No idea what kind of implementation it is.

Been using WinDowse to try to find some hints - but with no luck.

Jim

I'm don't want to put any more time into trying to reverse engineer them.

The conclusion I keep coming to is that a WebDialog-based User Interface Manager is the solution. But I'm not sure what that would look like.

thomthom

You mean a webdialog instead of the toolbars?

I just came to think of this thread, http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=25676, where did guy have managed to embed the SU tool windows into the native SU frame.
What would be interesting would be to embedd a Webdialog like that and use that as a blank canvas.

thomthom

@jim said:

The conclusion I keep coming to is that a WebDialog-based User Interface Manager is the solution. But I'm not sure what that would look like.

One idea I've been playing with recently: a tool that launches other tools.
Then you could hide all toolbars. When you want to switch tool, you hit a shortcut that activates the tool that brings up a set of toolbars drawn on the viewport - like Fredo's tools.