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    • dermotcollD Offline
      dermotcoll
      last edited by

      Hi Guys

      Here goes with my first attempt at a PR render of a fairly big job I'm pitching for - I used the omni lights as can be seen and I tried using an image of my own for the background hoping to see it through the windows but it just didnt come off - as you can see - any guidance on what I should be doing there - I know I could add alot of counter clutter but am more interested in the kitchen units at the minute - a heads up on entourage for interiors would be good too!!

      Please comment and criticise.


      In-Frame 1st Render.jpg

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      • soloS Offline
        solo
        last edited by

        A great start.

        I like the dark windows as it gives a rich reflection and a great reason to have lights on as it looks like a night render.
        I would revisit all the metallic surfaces as they do not look right, try using a library preset in Twilight.
        The lights are too close to ceiling and light components are missing, try using an IES setting as it will be more realistic.
        The floor material looks like an exterior texture, remember it's a kitchen and floors need to be grouted and sealed, try a tile or even a stained concrete (popular this side of the pond)Hope this helps.

        http://www.solos-art.com

        If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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        • L Offline
          leminilab
          last edited by

          Hi !

          Looking nice !
          Maybe you should place a light towards your background pic. I had the same problem the first time I tried to put a cyclo behind windows...

          I think your omni lights are a little too close from the ceiling also.
          The fridge and oven textures don't look as nice as they could.

          Entourage would definately add something to it but it looks pretty good to me so far !

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          • dermotcollD Offline
            dermotcoll
            last edited by

            Cheers Guys, thanks for the comments so far.

            How far away should the lights be from the ceiling ?
            All the metallic surfaces are set to Twilight template settings - they are stainless steel appliances but I cant get the finish I am after - I didnt see them in the library settings either!
            When you say light components, do you mean that I should model a light fixture and add to the model?
            I see the IES tab on the light editor but it is greyed out - I do not have any IES settings to work from - how do I generate them?
            Again - I am stuck for materials - where can I get these?

            When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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            • L Offline
              leminilab
              last edited by

              I think there's gotta be some absolute rule on how remote should a light source be from an object but unfortunately I've relied on experience so far... Try and place them slightly further from the ceiling in order not to get this halo.

              I've never used IES lights yet. I think they are physically accurate light presets from light manufacturers 😕
              You can download some presets here : http://www.mrcad.com/download-free-ies-lights/

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              • X Offline
                xrok1
                last edited by

                nice one, about the lights, try to imagine a real fixture and where the bulb would be. usually about 6" below the ceiling. if you still get harsh lighting then dim the lights a bit, try again, repeat...

                as far as textures try this http://www.cgtextures.com/.

                if you remember my kitchen i beleive all the materials are SU except 1 or 2. but i do have the SU material bonus pack from here: http://sketchup.google.com/download/bonuspacks6.html i'd suggest to DL it. the component packs are good too.

                as far as your windows go i suspect you may have two layers, try only one. do you know about back faces? this could also be the culprit.

                PS you'll never get a great result until you start using the higher (unbiased) presets, i always use easy 09.

                “There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”

                http://www.Twilightrender.com try it!

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                • Rich O BrienR Online
                  Rich O Brien Moderator
                  last edited by

                  Hi Dermot,

                  Your burning the candle both ends. But definitely paying off, this looks great and i like the dark exterior.

                  Thanks for sharing

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                  • EarthMoverE Offline
                    EarthMover
                    last edited by

                    Beautiful modeling my friend. Cabinetry looks great. Not digging the floor though. Looks old and worn out.

                    One thing you may want to consider is switching the Camera to Two Point Perspective before you render and this will straighten out your vertical lines.

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                    • dermotcollD Offline
                      dermotcoll
                      last edited by

                      Thanks for the comments guys

                      I tried a few changes as per your suggestions - can't get IES to load - when I go into it to load the ones leminilab suggested it still greys out and I cant load any to try them.

                      System crashed a couple of times on me as well as I dont have a great processor for the bigger models and it is struggling big time with it. I have another in the oven as we speak and I will post the results when its finished. Anyone any tips on this IES problem?

                      When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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                      • EarthMoverE Offline
                        EarthMover
                        last edited by

                        Did you try the collection Frymoro posted on the Twilight forum? Should be able to copy and past lights right from the attached .skp file.


                        spotlight IES.skp


                        IES fymoro.jpg

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                        • dermotcollD Offline
                          dermotcoll
                          last edited by

                          Thanks earthmover -

                          I had just about given up when I noticed a tab (From scene) which I hadnt touched before. I was able to upload an Ies file and am looking forward to seeing what comes out - I have set it for Easy Low + just to see what effects have been generated by the changes made then I will cook it over night on Interiors 09.

                          When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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                          • dermotcollD Offline
                            dermotcoll
                            last edited by

                            Hey Guys

                            This is taking for ages in the low+ setting - ray tracing is only at 24% after and hour - should this take this long at such a low setting?

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                            • soloS Offline
                              solo
                              last edited by

                              Wanna upload the model, so that I can test on my side?

                              http://www.solos-art.com

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                              • B Offline
                                bytor
                                last edited by

                                Hi Dermot,

                                Sometimes ies files do take a long time. While they can be the most accurate - it is often unnecessary. Here are a couple of very helpfull links from the Twilight site regarding lighting;
                                http://twilightrender.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=732
                                http://twilightrender.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=665
                                It took me a couple of read throughs to fully understand what they are saying - but these are great reference points.

                                With regards to the materials - remember you can use all of the Kerkythea materials in Twilight as well!
                                Bytor

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                                • L Offline
                                  leminilab
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi Dermot,

                                  Have you tried just lowering your omni lights a little ? IES lights are very demanding which may explain your rendering time I think.

                                  Maybe by just lowering your omni and removing the IES...

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                                  • dermotcollD Offline
                                    dermotcoll
                                    last edited by

                                    Thanks for the comments and guidance guys. Here is the model (compressed) for you to look at and critique.

                                    Thanks


                                    Catherine Harneys.rar

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                                    • B Offline
                                      bytor
                                      last edited by

                                      Dermot,

                                      Wonderfull model! I deleted the lights you had and added som recessed downlights and a fixture I found on the warehouse. I also adjusted some of the material settings and replaced the floor / counter materials. Hope you don't mind - but it was fun to work with someone else's model for an hour or so. Here is a quick npr style to show what I did. I already made some lighting adjustments and have one in the cooker for processing overnight.

                                      Bytor


                                      DERMOT-KITCHEN-1COMP-LOW.jpg

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                                      • dermotcollD Offline
                                        dermotcoll
                                        last edited by

                                        Bytor

                                        Thanks so much for the comments. Really love the NPR render finish- have tried to do that myself but didnt work so I didnt post. Can you re upload your finished model so I can see what you did and how you did it?

                                        When you burn your arse - you gotta sit on the blisters!!

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                                        • D Offline
                                          dedmin
                                          last edited by

                                          @dermotcoll said:

                                          Bytor

                                          Thanks so much for the comments. Really love the NPR render finish- have tried to do that myself but didnt work so I didnt post. Can you re upload your finished model so I can see what you did and how you did it?

                                          I see You don't make full detailed models of the furniture. Don't You use SketchUp to make cutlist?

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                                          • dermotcollD Offline
                                            dermotcoll
                                            last edited by

                                            Hi Dedmin

                                            I design and install but I buy in all the carcases. There are carcase companies who are much bigger machinery and I make money designing and installing - it would take me too long to cut, edge and assemble the carcases myself so I leave it to the big guys. All non standard items, I draw detailed working drawings for and either make them myself or again farm out to the big guys. Works well for me.

                                            Thanks for the comments

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