Clean energy sources
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@remus said:
so until someone conclusively shows that energy can be created i find it hard to believe.
I thought it had been shown that energy can be created from matter??
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matter is energy, an important point to note.
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Keep an open mind. But science is not dogma. I would say it is the opposite of dogma.
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@pbacot said:
Keep an open mind. But science is not dogma. I would say it is the opposite of dogma.
catma?
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@remus said:
matter is energy, an important point to note.
Some old bloke called Einstein wasn't it, and demonstrated by the Manhattan Project
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Thats the chap
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@remus said:
The fact of the matter is their is a mountain of evidence which suggests energy cannot be created and very little evidence to the contrary, so until someone conclusively shows that energy can be created i find it hard to believe.
There are more convincing scientific experiments that prove that the energy efficiency of some processes can higher then 100% (overunity).
Here is a link to Professor Ph. M. Kanarev's works presented in English
and an example of Low Current Electrolysis of Water where in conclusions one can read:@unknownuser said:
Energy efficiency index of the low current electrolysis should be refined, but in any case it will be greater than 10, that’s why there is every reason to think that a way to production of inexpensive hydrogen from water and transition to hydrogen energetic is opened.
Not only 'garage inventors', but also scientists prove that it is possible. If societies would only be more aware of possibilities in front of us, it would be easier to find the resources to push them out from labs.
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Some of this sounds a bit like the old Cold Fusion of the late '80's, or even ZETA from the '50's which I remember was going to give power so cheap it wouldn't be worth charging for it!
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7190813.stm )Ho, ho, ho
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@petercharles said:
Some of this sounds a bit like the old Cold Fusion of the late '80's, or even ZETA from the '50's which I remember was going to give power so cheap it wouldn't be worth charging for it!
( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7190813.stm )Ho, ho, ho
It sounds like the same old thing, and it is. Five minutes of Googling (the name Kanarev, for instance)brings up links to the same old cold fusion and Steorn etc. nonsense.
Anssi
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@anssi said:
It sounds like the same old thing, and it is. Five minutes of Googling (the name Kanarev, for instance)brings up links to the same old cold fusion and Steorn etc. nonsense.
Steorn and cold fusion? You are mixing thing my friend.
Kanarev brings in most cases Low current electrolysis.@remus said:
<- my unconvinced faceWhat doesn't convince you? Graphics of the site? Calculations? Nationality of the author?
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I probably am prejudiced, but i just find it very hard to believe that someone who has found a method for creating free energy has trouble getting his ideas out to the world.
All it would take is a working sample and he'd be sorted.
The following extract doesnt inspire a lot of confidence, either.
@unknownuser said:
Present days physics students are fooled by main stream physics teachers not only with respect to SRT but they hear other ferry tales about nature. This is one reason why physics students have problems in getting jobs in in-dustry and research institutions.
Our troubled world needs, for example, physicists, who build new useful devices or in-vent new methods for converting matter to energy (fusion does not work well and many people hate uranium) instead of looking for new crazy particles based on unproven theories.p.s. I will buy you a pint if the conservation of energy is shown to be wrong
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Time will tell. Just a thought! In order to protect these inventions, patents will have to be granted. This means that FULL data will be available to the public. At this stage the facts will come the light ... excuse the pun.
Mike
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@mike lucey said:
patents will have to be granted. This means that FULL data will be available to the public.
Excuse me if I don't hold my breath waiting.
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@mike lucey said:
Time will tell. Just a thought! In order to protect these inventions, patents will have to be granted. This means that FULL data will be available to the public. At this stage the facts will come the light ... excuse the pun.
Mike
And that is where it always falls apart...
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Mine
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Very good DE, on both posts! Also I thought of the palendrome, "Dogma: I am God." speaking of opposites.
Seriously now (there's no "serious" emoticon) I'd say Tomasz at least has done some homework. For myself I never thought cold-fusion was some kind of scam. I thought it was a bona fide line of scientific research that is found so far to not be feasible under relevant conditions.
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@mike lucey said:
Time will tell. Just a thought! In order to protect these inventions, patents will have to be granted. This means that FULL data will be available to the public. At this stage the facts will come the light ... excuse the pun.
One has to remember that patents applications are usually written in the way to protect the idea of the design and to disclose important details to make it really work.
@remus said:
I probably am prejudiced, but i just find it very hard to believe that someone who has found a method for creating free energy has trouble getting his ideas out to the world.
All it would take is a working sample and he'd be sorted.
Just stand in a position of a scientist who invents something that produces energy apparently from 'nothing'. If you would mention it to your superior, wouldn't you immediately be treated as a geek. Would you put all your career just to fight all those unconvinced?
This guy is fighting more than 30!! years to make his invention, confirmed by scientists, to the public.
http://www.josephnewman.com/
Almost everyone treats him as a insane man chasing his dreams, but he has made several WORKING prototypes. Scientists has confirmed that his engines display extraordinary properties.As SU Forum can hardly keep any discussion serious, there is something way lighter and presented in an easy to digest fashion
[flash=425,344:3fdtow7z]http://www.youtube.com/v/gTAqGKt64WM[/flash:3fdtow7z]
Extremely simple device that amplifies the current, so you can lit a LED using 1.5V DEAD! battery. It is easy to replicate. It is a amplifier similar to Magnacoasters unit.
Tomasz
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Cant watch the video, as i'm at college, but with relation to the rest of your post:
If i was him i would approach the whole issue from a more traditional point of view i.e. presenting the idea as an anomaly in the current theory. Thus he is openeing up the idea for investigation in a more traditional manner without being labelled a crackpot.
Of course it shouldnt have to be like that, scientists should treat all ideas equally and investigate them all without prejudice. But then they have to discriminate to an extent, there simply isnt enough time to investigate everything. Thus they tend to throw away the ideas that seem particularly lacking.
Essentailly what i am trying to say is Mr. Kanarev is not doing himself any favours by saying "What everyone else has found is wrong, what i have found is right." (paraphrased)
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The Joule Thiefs were good
Is there such a thing as 'hidden' energy around the place that we are discovering? Could this be the answer?
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