Clean energy sources

tomasz · 18 Feb 2009, 20:58

I am watching very closely few interesting solutions regarding new energy sources. This one in particular does all to attract engineers first. It is based in Ireland. They want to engage 300 engineers first, license the technology and then release it to the public so everyone can learn and contribute to the development. Few years ago they discovered the phenomena when they've been working on alternative power supplies for CCTV cameras.

They do not work as others do. They don't want to sell a mysterious machine for 15,000 $.
They want the technology to be known and fully harnessed by engineers and universities.

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Those lads has put their reputation and invested a lot of time and money to create their new website.

Regards
Tomasz

boofredlay · 18 Feb 2009, 21:21

Third time is a charm

301 Moved Permanently

(www.sketchucation.com)

301 Moved Permanently

(www.sketchucation.com)

tomasz · 18 Feb 2009, 22:14

Sorry. Didn't notice Mike's post

So I will add something more. A generator being able to spin up to 37,000 rpm.
There is a serious engineering involved. They have bought a balancer being able to add/remove weight with amazing precision.

@unknownuser said:

The AATE is "not a perpetual motion machine".

The science behind the AATE technology is Vortex Mechanics based on the Tornado Implosion – Vortex principle. The unique turbine design of the engine chamber creates a tornado within. Once implosion is acheived, the natural force of nature sustains and powers the rotation. The more air allowed to flow back into lead chamber, the faster the rotation. The airflow is controled via an electronic wireless device similarly used in the automotive industry for throttle mechanisms.

(www.airturbineengine.com)

@unknownuser said:

The engine does not run on a compressed air tank, it runs on ambient air and runs on its own. And with its benefits, would eliminate the need for fossil fuels, and would become a totally new power source.

Too good to be true? Definitely, but...

Mike Lucey · 18 Feb 2009, 23:05

..... the story goes on, not away I am aware of one of the guys being interviewed and know that if he is now sitting on the fence leaning towards acceptance we should all be viewing this with an open mind.

Wow! if this project was to take off it would be fantastic for Ireland provided that the company remained here.

Mike

tomasz · 22 Feb 2009, 14:46

@mike lucey said:

Wow! if this project was to take off it would be fantastic for Ireland provided that the company remained here.

They have rebuilt the website and present opinions of Irish engineers on the invention.
I think they will stay here, although the technology will be used worldwide.

Tomasz

Anssi · 22 Feb 2009, 20:43

The quotes about AATE are pure nonsense.

Anssi

tomasz · 23 Feb 2009, 18:10

@anssi said:

The quotes about AATE are pure nonsense.

They may sound as a pure nonsense to someone who doesn't know what vortex effect is. There are industrial applications of this principle in air-conditioning/refrigerators industry:
http://www.airtxinternational.com/catalog/vortex_tubes.php (Click on link about vortex tube)
and a Wikipedia page describing the effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube
As you will notice there is no exact explanation of this effect. It means that the principles of the effect are not well examined.
AATE guys claim that with a certain passage of air one can stimulate air to increase it's flow, instead of reducing it - achieve a state of a negative friction. However it looks unreal, they say the machine is able to achieve it.
There was a video showing the machine in full spin, but I cannot find it anymore.

Tomasz

Double Espresso · 23 Feb 2009, 21:14

I'll sell this technology for $20.00... shovels are a little more.

tomasz · 24 Feb 2009, 07:57

I thought it wouldn't be necessary to get help from a clown, but here we go.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Anssi · 24 Feb 2009, 19:04

@unknownuser said:

They may sound as a pure nonsense to someone who doesn't know what vortex effect is. There are industrial applications of this principle in air-conditioning/refrigerators industry:
http://www.airtxinternational.com/catalog/vortex_tubes.php (Click on link about vortex tube)
and a Wikipedia page describing the effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube

The links describe vortex tubes that consume energy, not make it. Their inefficiency is the reason why they are used only in specialized applications.

@unknownuser said:

As you will notice there is no exact explanation of this effect. It means that the principles of the effect are not well examined.

That Wikipedia is short on the subject means nothing. I understand that the principles of fluid dynamics are quite well known, but that the mathematics are not for the faint-hearted (like me)

@unknownuser said:

achieve a state of a negative friction.

No such thing exists. The laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed, even by Irishmen

Anssi

Double Espresso · 24 Feb 2009, 19:22

@unknownuser said:

I thought it wouldn't be necessary to get help from a clown, but here we go.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

Lighten up...

Frederik · 24 Feb 2009, 19:24

This is very interesting...!

I have absolutely no idea about whether this is pure nonsens or some unknown physic forces that we're yet to learn a lot about...?!?

I sure hope that some clever heads will be able to find a good alternative to oil and nuclear energy...

@anssi said:

No such thing exists. The laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed, even by Irishmen

Well... You can't know any better, Anssi, but Tomasz is from Poland, but is now living in Ireland...

tomasz · 24 Feb 2009, 21:07

I present those things as something to take obviously critically. I find them simply interesting. One day it may appear to all of us that 'the Earth is not flat and it is spinning around the Sun, not other way round'.

Physics defends vigorously that the energy cannot be multiplied or destroyed.
Something from Dragons Den - Richard Willis took part in this show as a kind of 'protection', to make his discovery and a face known to wider public.

[flash=480,295:ir1vtbli]http://www.youtube.com/v/vvfi9ZpXKOY[/flash:ir1vtbli]

And a quote from his webpage:

@unknownuser said:

Where the problem comes from is the fact that some of you have taken everything from a text book as law. The fact was in 1831 it was a rule made by a guy (Faraday) who like all of us was trying to understand how to make power.

http://www.vorktex.ca/

In all those already presented cases probably we don't deal with a 'creation' of energy. It can be simply pulled out from a yet unknown source.

tomasz · 28 Feb 2009, 13:56

@anssi said:

The links describe vortex tubes that consume energy, not make it. Their inefficiency is the reason why they are used only in specialized applications.

The creators of AATE claim they have harnessed an energy of implosion, instead of explosion.

@anssi said:

No such thing exists. The laws of thermodynamics must be obeyed, even by Irishmen

Wouldn't be more true/wiser to write: "Such a thing is not known to the physics? According to it the negative friction does not exist."

There are people that claim that an inner portion of a fluid/gas being compressed in a vortex is gliding on an outer, of higher temp. and not so dense, layer.

I prefer keeping my mind open, instead of closing it in a closed loop of dogmas.

@unknownuser said:

energy. It can be simply pulled out from a yet unknown source.

[flash=425,344:yhw2y8d1]http://www.youtube.com/v/XE5g6x6OOb0[/flash:yhw2y8d1]

remus · 28 Feb 2009, 17:02

The fact of the matter is their is a mountain of evidence which suggests energy cannot be created and very little evidence to the contrary, so until someone conclusively shows that energy can be created i find it hard to believe.

PeterCharles · 28 Feb 2009, 20:02

@remus said:

so until someone conclusively shows that energy can be created i find it hard to believe.

I thought it had been shown that energy can be created from matter??

remus · 28 Feb 2009, 22:26

matter is energy, an important point to note.

pbacot · 1 Mar 2009, 02:41

Keep an open mind. But science is not dogma. I would say it is the opposite of dogma.

Double Espresso · 1 Mar 2009, 02:56

@pbacot said:

Keep an open mind. But science is not dogma. I would say it is the opposite of dogma.

catma?

PeterCharles · 1 Mar 2009, 13:48

@remus said:

matter is energy, an important point to note.

Some old bloke called Einstein wasn't it, and demonstrated by the Manhattan Project