Problem GPU/CPU???
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Hello,
I Have a problem:
When Im drawing I sometimes cant select any faces, I thought it might be the pick reverse bug but it wasn`t. The I tried to shut down the hardware acceleration and that solved that problem. But now my system is very slow because of that.I bought a new system a few months ago:
Q6600 2,4 Ghz
HD 2900 XT graphics card
4 GB RamI also find that my almost 4 year old laptop is faster than my new system (I know SU doesn’t support Multi Core but even on one core of the Q6600 it should faster than my laptop)
I hope you can help me with this problem and maybe tell me if this problem is solved in the next SU 7. Or is it a problem of ATI, that I have to contact them?
Greetings,
B.Lamein (The Netherlands) -
@b.lamein said:
...The I tried to shut down the hardware acceleration and that solved that problem. But now my system is very slow because of that.
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HD 2900 XT graphics card
...Hardware Accelearation means OpenGL (http://www.opengl.org/ ) is used for rendering the display and export output (much faster) by using the video card via the video card driver. Thus enabling hardware acceleration will create problems if the video card driver is 'bad'.. which is regularly the case for the ATI Radeons series optimized for fast output of 3D game software but not CAx applications.
Knowing this you should - under Windows - focus on nVidia video output solutions as e.g. the GeForce SoHo series or - better - the Quadro FX CAx series (if affordable).
For getting the maximum OpenGL quality of your ATI Radeon card, you might want try the 'quality-modded' Omega driver which you can get from here:
do a clean install, i.e. uninstall old driver, restart Windows, install new driver (with admin rights of course).
hth,
Norbert -
@sketch3d.de said:
@b.lamein said:
...The I tried to shut down the hardware acceleration and that solved that problem. But now my system is very slow because of that.
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HD 2900 XT graphics card
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Knowing this you should - under Windows - focus on nVidia video output solutions as e.g. the GeForce SoHo series or - better - the Quadro FX CAx series (if affordable).
For getting the maximum OpenGL quality of your ATI Radeon card, you might want try the 'quality-modded' Omega driver which you can get from here:
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Thanks for your reply!
I already was afraid that that was the problem! I just bought the HD 2900 XT card, so I don
t think Im going to bu a new one from nVidia (maybe if the price is right). I was under the impression that ATI cards were better for 3D programs and Nvidia for games.Is the problem in the drivers of the card or the card itself, if it are the drivers it might be fixed by ATI, I do hope so!
Are the omega drivers a good solution for this? In other words will it solve my problem? And how about playing games with this driver?
I hope to hear from you again.
Greetings B.Lamein
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@b.lamein said:
I was under the impression that ATI cards were better for 3D programs and Nvidia for games.
the opposite.
@b.lamein said:
Is the problem in the drivers of the card or the card itself
it's all in software, i.e. the driver.
@b.lamein said:
if it are the drivers it might be fixed by ATI, I do hope so!
maybe but past has shown that it is not very likely...
... btw, ATI does have also a CAx series 3D graphics accelerator called FireGL.
@b.lamein said:
Are the omega drivers a good solution for this?
more important: the only
@b.lamein said:
In other words will it solve my problem?
possible but difficult guessing from here... why not trying it by yourself?
@b.lamein said:
And how about playing games with this driver?
short: who cares?
long: most games are using the MS DirectX 3D interface, thus lacking some performance in the OGL area appears not to be very critical, at least if SU is more important than playing games...
... but you might want check it yourself by running an OpenGL benchmark as e.g. the free and small OpenGL Stars v0.5 (435kb), switch on option "hardware only" of course.
hth,
Norbert -
Your Ati card could be the problem. I remember since using version 4 of sketchup that @Last software always recommended an Nvidia card rather than an Ati.
Hope the modified drivers solve your problem tho
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I have switched from ATI HD2600Pro to NVidia Geforce8500GT coz i can't use hardware acceleration due to ATI's openGL driver problem.. Now im happy with my 8500GT...
Take it from my experience some ATI drivers are not 100% compatible with SU.
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First I did forget to say that I have both a XP and a Vista system, is there any difference between that?
I don`t think I get it fixed with te omega drivers, maybe I used the wrong version (I used de newest one)?
Is there anyone who have tried it with the omega drivers on a HD 2900 XT and it worked?
If this all won
t work Ill buy a nvidia card, but are there any recommendations of wich card I should take (not the quadro cards, to expensive and can`t play good games with it)?, so just the regular nvidia cards.And is it an option to intsall firegl drivers or doesn`t that work at all?
Hope to hear from you all.
Greetings
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Vista does not natively support OpenGL.
I had less video quirks with my Radeon x1950 Pro card on my defunct machine than with my current EVGA NVidia 8600 GTS. SU behavior was equal. I only used ATI driver on the old card. SU folks don't reccommend doctored drivers anyway.
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@gata said:
SU folks don't reccommend doctored drivers anyway.
That's the easy way out of driver issues. On my old machine (with an ATi GFX card) I only used the Omega drivers, without a hitch what-so-ever. They're really good.
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Then wich cards are the best acoording to you all, whit which cards are you working with?
It doesn`t matter which brand or type or else, I just want to make a list for myself whit alle the cards so I can make my decision of choosing a card!
I hope you can help me.
Greetings
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I'll do the nVidia cards, but i dont know much about the ATI cards, so i'll leave those for someone else.
From Best to Worst (for SU):
Nvidia Quadro seriesNvidia 7000 series
Nvidia 8000/9000(dont know about the 9000, so im just guessing) series
Any other Nvidia cards
To expand a bit on that, its more to do with the quality of the drivers available for the cards than the cards thmeselves. Specifically the level of openGL support they provide. The quadro cards have the bes openGL support, and so they're the best cards to use with SU.
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@remus said:
I'll do the nVidia cards, but i dont know much about the ATI cards, so i'll leave those for someone else.
From Best to Worst (for SU):
Nvidia Quadro seriesNvidia 7000 series
Nvidia 8000/9000(dont know about the 9000, so im just guessing) series
Any other Nvidia cards
To expand a bit on that, its more to do with the quality of the drivers available for the cards than the cards thmeselves. Specifically the level of openGL support they provide. The quadro cards have the bes openGL support, and so they're the best cards to use with SU.
Ok thanks for your anser but isn`t it true that the 7000 series are the older series than the 8000 and 9000 series, so the 9000 series should be better than te 7000 series?
And the Quadro cards can I play good games whit it since I also use my PC for private.
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Very rue, but i was doing it based on how well the cards work with SU, and to the best of my knowledge, the 7000 series cards are generally a safer option for SU as there have been a few issues with 8000 series cards. I assumed this is the same for 9000 cards as well.
If we're talking about gaming performance, then yes, the 8000 and 9000 cards would be a better choice.
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Thanks for the replies!
Are there more people who can tell me about their experiences whit graphics cards, which are the best or which cards they use?
I`m really interseted in all this, so please help me!
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Review the list of cards to avoid in maintenance release 2 notes http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ajg9d7mmp8rt_4gp925h , the section on Vista issues.
Re Omega drivers, developers will not test product on everything. It's unrealistic. With my ATI and NVidia cards, I never experienced graphics issue that would cause me to look for something 'better'.
Anyway, your GPU also has to play nice with your operating system, CPU, other assorted drivers, software, BIOS settings, running processes, hardware, your modeling needs, etc. This is one of the reasons it's hard to tailor-fit these hardware/software questions.
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@gata said:
Review the list of cards to avoid in maintenance release 2 notes http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ajg9d7mmp8rt_4gp925h , the section on Vista issues.
Re Omega drivers, developers will not test product on everything. It's unrealistic. With my ATI and NVidia cards, I never experienced graphics issue that would cause me to look for something 'better'.
Anyway, your GPU also has to play nice with your operating system, CPU, other assorted drivers, software, BIOS settings, running processes, hardware, your modeling needs, etc. This is one of the reasons it's hard to tailor-fit these hardware/software questions.
The card list quoted is about Vista compliancy. Let's hope that the driver situation has improved since. For me, the Quadro FX 1400, for instance, works faultlessly with XP. I don't know why the manufacturers so often mess up with their driver releases. I strongly recommend that when you find a driver version that works, stick with it. My other home computer has an old ATI All-in-Wonder card that also works OK if I keep Fast Feedback off, and I haven't dared to upgrade the driver for years.
Anssi
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I have an ATI Radeon FX550 (I think) and have no problem with it though it (and its driver) is more than 2 years old. I haven't even had problems during the tests.
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@b.lamein said:
And the Quadro cards can I play good games whit it since I also use my PC for private.
Quadro cards are absolutely crap for gaming.
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Sorry to highjack this thread
Coen, i just ordered a precision m90 whats it like with sketchup and also in general
thanks
Darren
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Darren,
I also have Precision M90, which I purchased last November. The graphics card is the nVidia Quadro FX 1500M. (Operating system Windows XP Pro SP2)
I'm using the two-year old nVidia driver from DELL, version 84.29
As long as I keep anti-aliasing off, I've had zero problems in SketchUp. Most of the time, even anti-aliasing works fine. As far as games, I haven't had any problems running 'Half-Life/Orange Box' at full speed; all graphic features enabled (on a 1920x1200 pixel screen, at that!)
I can't comment on Vista, but I will tell you that I purposely avoided it, in favor of WinXP (I prefer not to serve as a guinea pig for Microsoft, thank you very much.)
Regards,
Taff
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