SketchUp 2019 release

Mike Amos

Agreed. I would add a caveat to Trimble. "If you are not willing to treat the user/customer base with integrity, pass the product on to someone who can and will".

juju

@mike amos said:

Agreed. I would add a caveat to Trimble. "If you are not willing to treat the user/customer base with integrity, pass the product on to someone who can and will".

not sure how this could be ensured or by what / who's standards? yes, it could be a condition of sale, but not sure how enforceable it would be? not much point in debating this, if SU is making the umbrella corp a good profit then selling it wouldn't be much of a priority.

mtno

All those in support of chippwalters solid letter to Trimble,
say 'Aye'...
https://forums.sketchup.com/t/an-open-letter-to-trimble/87510?u=chippwalters

rparsons

I agree with Chip completely... great letter Chip

chaours1

I am also very disappointed with this new version and I am even more peeved to see that the system goes nicely but surely slip to the monthly licenses to do like boyfriends, such revive, adobe etc. .. It is quite a shame because in addition to an ergonomics hitherto much appreciated, sketchup could position itself as an alternative to the behemoths of the CAD and their relentless financial logic (to see the conflict between the UNSFA and Autodesk on the increase of the prices of license of revit on captive customers!)

In short, we hope to be heard in doubt but I hope so!

Why is it that when something is good, it must be destroyed? the question remains whole!

and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183

Mike Amos

What are they saying there, limited forum section?

WEB

Someone here wondered why all the kvetching about dashed lines when that feature has long been on users’ wish lists. The problem is not with dashed lines. The problem is that by implementing only dashed lines, Trimble have shown that they are harvesting SketchUp, that they intend to milk it for all it’s worth while investing as little as possible.

Those of us who are doing the kvetching had high hopes for the future of SketchUp. (Surely the late release must mean big improvements, right?) but when this lackluster release is coupled with the new pricing scheme and with Trimble’s ongoing lack of enthusiastic communications with users about SketchUp’s future, the future of the software looks bleak indeed.

I hope my pessimism is not justified.

Khai

The problem is not with dashed lines. The problem is that by implementing only dashed lines

this, a thousand times this.

Ben Ritter

@solo said:

@l i am said:

Just a thought bubble, might it be a good idea for the Sketchucation executives to consider creating a new forum in sketchucation specialising in transitioning from Sketchup to Blender? This may reinvigorate Sketchucation which has taken a beating since Trimble took over Sketchup. And would be a great help for people transitioning or simply for Skethup users to use the qualities of both programs. It would certainly work for me. Anyway like I said just a though bubble.

Rich O'Brien is fluent in Blender, he'd be a good tutor as he comes from SU and understands the issues most SU users have in Blender, I vote he starts the revolution, even I will join.

Hats off and a huge thanks to the plugin authors, they have been keeping SU alive the last few years You know they are listening as a few new importers and poly reducers are on the horizon, too bad we need such tools due to SU's poly limitations.

I'm on board with Solo's remarks, specifically the plugin authors. I hate that I have to say it, but I've been digging into Blender and others more than ever before because of SU's lack of progress and attention.

juju

@chaours1 said:

and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183

how is it that this link needs special privileges?

numerobis

@juju said:

@chaours1 said:

and I do not think I'm the only one ...
https://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70183

how is it that this link needs special privileges?

It's in the french forum. If you're not registered for the french language you're not seeing it as long as you're logged in. Just log out and you can read it (a bit stupid but this is how it works... )

genma saotome

Subscription licensing usually means two things: there is not enough money coming in from new purchases which is usually caused by (2) there are no new features worth the development cost relative to new revenue, typically because the software does almost everything that people need. Take a look around... how many of us are still using old versions of MS Office and are perfectly happy with what we have?

This is the post-life stage of software, the time when vermin companies like Computer Associates (not Broadcom) sink their fungus tendrils into the corpse and suck out whatever nutrition (money) can be had by going to subscriptions and counting on companies not wanted to deal with the cost and loss of productivity that comes from moving over to new software..

Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.

CalypsoArt

I a futile attempt to vent and perhaps be heard, I posted this on the Sketchup forum. I have no illusions that my words matter, especially considering the number of "good job Trimble" posts I read. At any rate, my reaction as written is real. I just completed my first work job in Rhino.

"What a different response here about SU2019 as compared to other SU forums. Not one of my colleagues, or users I know, is pleased with what Trimble has done in this SU release.

I’ve been a Sketchup user since version 4. I find this “update” to been the most disappointing ever to be released. Thin in everything but methods to charge at increased/inflated rates. Further, the marketing is almost insulting. For your money, you get line types, revised Tape measure, and multiple ways to pay more for less. Still, based on the glowing, responses here, that copy writer must be pleased.

Though SU has been my main software for work since Version 4, I have been using Rhino for personal projects for a couple years. My transition to using Rhino for work begins today. In addition, I’m terminating my recommendations for, and instruction of, SU to 3D beginners. Rhino and/or Blender are just better options."

juju

@genma saotome said:

Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.

I wouldn't necessarily say the desktop version, but it certainly looks like they have set their sights on eliminating the perpetual licencing model. I sincerely hope that the perpetual licence with maintenance and support model is retained, even if it is alongside another licencing model.

jiminy-billy-bob

Considering the shitstorm during the last few days, I doubt they'll drop classic licenses anytime soon. The new website is effective enough to direct new users to subscription.

Khai

@jiminy-billy-bob said:

Considering the shitstorm during the last few days, I doubt they'll drop classic licenses anytime soon. The new website is effective enough to direct new users to subscription.

I wouldn't bet on them thinking that.
all I've read from the team in the ongoing storm over at the forums suggests it's full steam ahead and damn the torpedoes and we don't understand why your so upset....

juju

@jiminy-billy-bob said:

Considering the shitstorm during the last few days...

Apt description. If I were a major investor/share holder there would be some explaining to do, mopping of floors and heads to collect. And this would have zero to do with licencing...

dedmin

@juju said:

@genma saotome said:

Stick a form in it folks, SU (at least on the desktop) is done. Whether there is a
"new" cloud based product or not is up to Trimble -- and they're not telling, which usually means really bad news for the current product offering.

I wouldn't necessarily say the desktop version, but it certainly looks like they have set their sights on eliminating the perpetual licencing model. I sincerely hope that the perpetual licence with maintenance and support model is retained, even if it is alongside another licencing model.

Cloud and subscription are perfect fit for INVESTORS and Shareholders! Because there is nothing to buy, download and install the only option is to rent. Software as a service - only way to pay for the same shit over and over again!

jason_maranto

Same story every release. I said ages ago that the problem isn't Trimble (or Google before them) --the problem is the top leadership of the actual SketchUp devs. If anybody is surprised by any of this you haven't been paying attention at all.

measuredmove

I still love Sketchup-it’s a comfortable, predictable tool. I’ve stayed with SU8 for personal projects and use SU18 PRO at work and there isn’t a whole lot of difference between the 2. In a way a good thing but what the heck has Trimble done with the revenue from sales and upgrades over the past 10(?) years.
It seems like the amazing plugin development community (not in house) have kept SU relevant but all that has allowed the core program to be left as is for the most part-kind of like why buy the cow if you get the milk for free. (Sorry. couldn’t think of a better analogy at the moment)
Jason_Maranto above said that it is the same reaction to every new version release-and I often thought the same thing. But humans are ever hopeful(naive) and adapt to disappointment eventually. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if even half of peoples’ wishlist suggestions had been incorporated? Or a collaboration with the app developers to make major additions to the native SU tools. Ah well. I don't see that ever happening. Sketchup is not a well-loved dog at Trimble-it only gets thrown a bone every so often to stop it barking.
Cows and dogs.