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    • TIGT Offline
      TIG Moderator
      last edited by

      I see little ground for confusion once the split between definition and instance is appreciated...


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      • Dave RD Offline
        Dave R
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        @pbacot said:

        Dave,

        You know, it's a little of a hump for beginners because: You create a component it asks for a "Name". You give it a name, then in the Entity Window "Name" is blank and "Description" has the name you gave. πŸ˜’

        Peter

        So you're telling me I explained it incorrectly?

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        • J Offline
          jorge2011
          last edited by

          Thank you. I understand the explanation.
          My confusion is that when I create a component in the dialog write a component name and then click the Properties box write the name becomes the component definition.
          that's a little confusing
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          • pbacotP Offline
            pbacot
            last edited by

            Hey, I see the windows entity window Jorge posted doesn't have "Definition Name" either. I won't say what I'm thinking.

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            • pbacotP Offline
              pbacot
              last edited by

              No, Dave. Just noting why people might think it needs more explanation. Your explanation is right. As jorge also added. He gets your explanation, but he was probably still scratching his head because of the way it's handled.

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              • pbacotP Offline
                pbacot
                last edited by

                Interestingly Mac doesn't have "Definition Name" in the Entity window. Just "Name" ("Nombre") and "Definition". What would be wrong with "Instance" and "Definition"?

                But no, once they figure this out there's no need for tut video πŸ˜„

                Some may wish to understand what use this is. When you want to sort out the model or make cut lists having the instances named would be helpful. Plugins might use the instance names, I suppose? If you place text on the component in the model, it will pick up the Instance Name--if it has one, otherwise it will pick up the component definition.

                But these are details. The main thing is: You don't need to give an instance name, but all components have a definition name.

                etc.

                ACK the site is Slooooow. Gaieus may have left the peddle power machine. I wonder where he could be.... ❓

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                • Bob JamesB Offline
                  Bob James
                  last edited by

                  Description
                  Name
                  Definition
                  Instance
                  Definition Name
                  ❗
                  I never really thought about it before so I wasn't confused before, but now I think I am. 😲

                  **As I understand it:**The component "Name" given to an object when you create the component becomes the "Definition Name" in Entity Info, while "Name" in Entity Info box is the instance name.

                  But I don't really understand why the change. Why can't it clearly say "Component Name" in both places with "Instance Name" added in the Entity Info box? (and get rid of "Description")

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
                    last edited by

                    There are indeed some inconsistencies in the "expressions" regarding definition, instance, name... There are some thoughts of this under the first two "chapters" of this tutorial (and especially under the "Notes" at the end of the second).

                    Gai...

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                    • J Offline
                      jorge2011
                      last edited by

                      Thank you very much for the explanation

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                      • 2 Offline
                        2mdallas
                        last edited by

                        Thanks TIG for the detailed explanation of component definition and names, it helped a lot. Because SKP is intuitive in many way's it's easy for beginners (like me) to overlook the need for a deeper understanding of names, definitions and functions so that the power of these elements can be used to expedite work. Regards, 2mDallas

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                        • Bob JamesB Offline
                          Bob James
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                          @dave r said:

                          How much more do you need? It isn't a complicated thing. πŸ˜’

                          As the continued discussion shows, it apparently it was and continues to be unnecessarily confusing.

                          Sorry TIG, but IMHO the length of your excellent clarification just illustrates that.

                          The meaning of a keyword should not change from one important dialog to the next.

                          Yet nothing has been done in five years to fix it. πŸ‘Ž

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