Turn off axis inferencing
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I just posted about this under another topic. I second that emotion, and add that I, too, am a guide line user. Ironically, it can be frustrating fighting the inference engine to place the guidelines. But I do believe strongly in the use of guidelines.. In my other post I suggested the possibility of scoping the inferencing. Only the current layer or context.
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Hey guys,
I'm very much behind this idea as well. I love guides to death, but the best way I've had of bypassing (as much as possible) the inferencing when drawing is by using move on the axis. I right click on the Axis of whatever I'm working on, and choose "Move". Then I'll choose Rotate, and put 45 degrees in both the x direction and z directions.
I do this because when I work with AutoCAD flatwork or topos, I know it's much less likely for me to encounter a line that I need to trace over at that set of angles. Then I'll go into Top Parallel Projection, and turn off the Axis visibility.
I've attached a really quickly thrown together sample file for reference. Hope that helps until we figure out another method.
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Agreed. My CAD app has an override key to defeat constraints while drawing. When one is drawing on a face or has other inferences or snaps, the usual constraints are not needed, temporarily. And an object inference override (perhaps separate) would not hurt either.
I don't have quite the extreme issues noted, but when drawing a cantankerous edge, I sometimes find starting at the other end helps.
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Quite the old topic, but still relevant.
I have a shortcut key to the set axis tool. If the model axis is too close to the predominant axis of some geometry I'm working, I just change the axis using the native tool.
You can also set up a scene for each axis you are working on. So that way its each to flip back and forth between very specific defined axes.
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So, there is no way to turn it off at least temporary?
So what would be the easiest way for somebody to connect two points that are almost on same axis? I'll try to explain myself better. I start drawing form point A and arrive at point B, but my snap on point isn't responding that well because I'm locked on the red axis and my B point is not on it, but just very close to it. And I cannot zoom more because of the well known sketchup zoom problem (objects disapearing when zooming too close because we enter into them I guess) How would you solve this problem? -
I would turn off length snapping, make sure my precision was set to something better than I needed and adjust my scale so that I wasn't working in the tiny segment limitations of sketchup.
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Also make sure you are working with the camera set to Perspective, not Parallel Projection because this will reduce or eliminate the clipping issue you refer to.
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It is quite the old topic and has been requested soooo many times by Pro and free users. I just don't understand how hard it could be to:
a: make an inferencing override button/ command and
b: to give the pro version basic object snap controls.Are you guys just to stubborn?
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It seems that most users who ask for it are beginners who haven't taken the time to learn about how to work with SketchUp and utilize the inferencing tools correctly. It really isn't that difficult.
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Dave, I think that is a bit of a generalization and perhaps a misrepresentation of who would appreciate this functionality.
I, for one, am not a beginner, and I would highly benefit from being able to turn snapping on and off with a keyboard shortcut.
Of course, since I have posted a plethora of suggestions for improving Layout and SU over the years, and not a single one has been incorporated into new versions, even when there has been dialogue from the developers acknowledging the usefulness of my suggestions and intimating that they were going to address them in new updates, we are just wasting our time even talking about this.
To be frank, the lack of meaningful updates to LO in particular is disconcerting and disappointing. It could be so much better...
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@dave r said:
It seems that most users who ask for it are beginners who haven't taken the time to learn about how to work with SketchUp and utilize the inferencing tools correctly. It really isn't that difficult.
Dear Dave, your reply is almost insulting. I get you are comfortable with how SU handles certain things and that is your prerogative.
On the other hand there are more than enough professionals out here that see the potential that SU is not living up to.
Isn't this the reason there are so many eager plug in programmers out there? To provide solutions for SU's shortcomings? Did someone say "workaround" ?????
It is a shame how stubborn the developers keep clinging to their old outdated views on 3D modeling. Unfortunately this is keeping SU from becoming a real professional tool for more than only square houses and from becoming the tool of choice for 3D printing and asset creation.
Edit: have a close look at the attached file, the constraint engine skips an 1/8th of an inch, both the correct and the wrong line are displayed as on green axis?!
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I've been using sketchup for ~8 years now.
There is one instance where I would particularly like to be able to temporarily shut off inferencing along axes and lines.
Drawing contours.
If there's a way to do it, like maybe press 'Shift-down arrow' while drawing a line and axis-line-point snapping shuts down for the duration of the draw line command, that would be perfect.
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@gaieus said:
I know the feeling however there are "constrained line" (magenta) then "on face" (blue) and all those other inferencing - which one tu turn off then?
All the wrong ones, obviously. SU could figure that out using the same logic it uses to always pick the wrong corner to snap to.
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The ability to toggle axis inferencing off and on ought to be built into Sketchup. At the very least it should be amenable to plugin access. When? Right now.
Anyone who disagrees has not been drawing thousands of empirical countours, for example 2D plans of sinuous gardens, or figure silhouettes, and so on. Here, you want geometry snapping, parallel line inferences, etc, but you often want to turn axis snapping completely off. Resetting axis locally helps not.
Such tasks are certainly not uncommon. We often need to draw lines that are almost but not quite perpendicular to the context axis. Here, the context axis preference of the inference engine gets in the way again and again, blocking the user's intent. The best remedy currently is to zoom in aggressively until the axis snapping disappears, draw the line, and then zoom out aggressively. And do it again. And again. And again. The best current workaround is clearly inferior to a simple native axis inferencing toggle.
So, what's the value? For a project needing say 2000 such lines, add 2 seconds of zooming in plus two seconds of zooming out, for each line. That makes 8000 seconds. Multiply by - just guessing here - 20 000 users who need to to this once a year. What do you get?
44 000 hours every year, wasted. Hear us, Trimble programmers.
No, an axis inference toggle feature will not "scare away new users".
The lack of it will scare away 3D professionals. -
I often use Quadface Tool to "close" quads geometry in my meshes and SU inference system cause the "closing" to fail when I try to draw a line that is nearly parallel to axis constraints. I'd need to constantly zoom in and out to get sure to pick the correct vertice. By default SU's inference allow me to snap on the vertices easily but it becomes an handicap when the inference tries to force snapping on the XYZ axis.
I'm on the SU boat since v2.1 so I think I'm not a noob, agree that the inferencing system is a trademark of SU since the beginning and allowed to get rid of the 4 viewports workflow. I used guide lines and UCS switch shortcuts most of the time but I also agree that sometimes it can be a PITA to not be able to toggle the inferencing system off by a simple command, just like in ALL other CAD software (I'm dreaming of a snapping options like in AutoCAD or 3DSmax where one can switch on/off vertices, parallel, perpendicular, tangent, etc. inferences).
This is an old thread, so I guess this is an aging request.
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To everyone that keeps asking for a interference on/off switch for tracing over a photo or a drawing:
I have the ultimate workaround: DO NOT USE SKETCHUP FOR THIS.
To put it plainly, it's been asked for years and the developers do not care for this option.
Just use any 2D drawing package. Just about all CAD programs will let you import a photo and you will be able to trace a polyline over it easily.
THEN IMPORT THIS INTO SKETCHUP.
Sketchup is a 3D drawing package, don't use it for 2D work. -
@makovich said:
To put it plainly, it's been asked for years and the developers do not care for this option.
Trimble doesn't care about any whishes of their users. This whole feature request thing is useless.
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