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Twisted Dovetail

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  • D Offline
    davidheim1
    last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 00:22

    Very interesting. Might make a good corner joint for a box.
    Best,
    dh

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      pcmoor
      last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 01:41

      @krisidious said:

      What I wonder is how it could actually be used in real life... Doesn't seem possible.

      True....Its not possible to join them

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        jeff hammond
        last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 01:55

        @pcmoor said:

        @krisidious said:

        What I wonder is how it could actually be used in real life... Doesn't seem possible.

        True....Its not possible to join them

        maybe if it's printed that way? πŸ˜‰

        dotdotdot

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          S Shepherd
          last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:08

          Oh ye of little faith. Just google it

          Shep

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            Dave R
            last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:08

            Cool.

            @pcmoor said:

            @krisidious said:

            What I wonder is how it could actually be used in real life... Doesn't seem possible.

            True....Its not possible to join them

            There are similar looking joints that can be assembled.

            Scott beat me to it.

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              Krisidious
              last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:17

              I did and most of what I saw looked faked... Others were built in a way that they could be angled together first. I'd love to see video of it being done.

              By: Kristoff Rand
              Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                Dave R
                last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:24

                Kris, twisted dovetails like Scott's can and are made in real wood. Whether or not they look faked, they can be cut to work.

                From Fine Woodworking Magazine #61
                Twisted.png

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                  jeff hammond
                  last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:26

                  i guess if the pins&tails line up at some point (in the middle somewhere) then it can slide together? if the angles are right?

                  dotdotdot

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                    S Shepherd
                    last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:31

                    See if this helps. The first image I posted is the starting position.


                    Twisted.gif

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                      jeff hammond
                      last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 02:54

                      @s shepherd said:

                      The first image I posted is the starting position.

                      oops, i missed that bit.. was thinking the coincident point would have to be in the middle somewhere. the animation clears it up though.
                      πŸ‘

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                        Krisidious
                        last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:08

                        Nice animation Shep...

                        This is one of the ones that looked faked.

                        http://www.richardjonesfurniture.com/Tables-Chairs/boire-coffee-table/boire-table-3-600.jpg

                        By: Kristoff Rand
                        Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                          Krisidious
                          last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:10

                          So the twist has to be identical on the inside front as it is on the backside top for it to work?

                          By: Kristoff Rand
                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                            Dave R
                            last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:12

                            @krisidious said:

                            Nice animation Shep...

                            This is one of the ones that looked faked.

                            http://www.richardjonesfurniture.com/Tables-Chairs/boire-coffee-table/boire-table-3-600.jpg

                            What makes it look fake?

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                              jeff hammond
                              last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:16

                              @dave r said:

                              What makes it look fake?

                              because it looks like there's not a way to assemble/dissemble it.. that's what the joint is for anyway, right?
                              like-- "hey bud, why don't you try to figure that one out hehheh"..
                              or is it inherently stronger than a traditional dovetail?

                              dotdotdot

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                                S Shepherd
                                last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:27

                                @krisidious said:

                                Nice animation Shep...

                                This is one of the ones that looked faked.

                                http://www.richardjonesfurniture.com/Tables-Chairs/boire-coffee-table/boire-table-3-600.jpg

                                One thing that's different about this is the miter on the end pair. I think it's done like this.


                                twisted miter.PNG

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                                  Krisidious
                                  last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 03:58

                                  @dave r said:

                                  What makes it look fake?

                                  The seam along the dovetails...

                                  By: Kristoff Rand
                                  Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                    Dave R
                                    last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 10:03

                                    @krisidious said:

                                    @dave r said:

                                    What makes it look fake?

                                    The seam along the dovetails...

                                    That's not a seam. It's a marking gauge line for the baseline. You'll sometimes see it on hand cut non-twisted dovetails too. It's part of the marking out for the joint. The baseline is often cut deep because it forms a guide for the chisel when cleaning out the waste.

                                    http://www.philadelphiafurnitureworkshop.com/category/show/images/Dovetails_000.JPG

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                                      slbaumgartner
                                      last edited by 15 Jan 2015, 13:50

                                      The mental hurdle in this joint as nicely illustrated in Scott's video is that the joint slides together along a 45 degree sloped line, not straight in as we are accustomed to. That fools the mind and eye into thinking it can't go together at all!

                                      Steve

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                                        tuna1957
                                        last edited by 21 Jan 2015, 04:03

                                        if memory strikes right , the late Tage Frid shows how to layout , cut and fit this joint in his book " Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking" . Hope to give it a try just for grins one of these days.

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                                          Dave R
                                          last edited by 21 Jan 2015, 10:40

                                          I had the pleasure of watching Tage Frid handcut dovetails once years ago. He came to speak to a college woodworking class I was in. We watched as he laid out and quickly cut a set of dovetails. When he was finished, he put the joint together and then he looked around the room. Not at us but at the walls of the shop. The professor asked him what he was looking for and he replied, "A dovetail hammer." No one in the class including the professor ever heard of a dovetail hammer before. Frid broke into a smile and walked over to the hand tool wall and grabbed a claw hammer. He walked back over to where he'd been working and gave one of the pins a few whacks to spread out the fibers and fill a small gap he'd created when cutting the joint. Then he held up the hammer with a grin and said, "This is a dovetail hammer." πŸ˜†

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