Sketchup ur Space & Sketchup 4 Architect stolen content
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@krisidious said:
Disavow Tool will not hurt their rank... It only attempts to save your rank from being affected by bad sites or your own spammy link campaign. Matt Cutts was very clear that the Disavow tool could not be used by others to hurt website ranking on a website. Although, he is a known liar...
I don't think it hurts their rank directly. It's more of a byproduct. I'm pretty sure Google takes outbound links into account when figuring out how relative your content is. So, when they link to all of our great content, they're telling Google, "Hey, my site is similar to all these other sites". By disavowing, you're taking that advantage away from them, therefore, hurting their rankings.
Also, I'd find it hard to believe that if a website is being disavowed from MULTIPLE sites, Google doesn't pick up on this pattern and hit them in the rankings. It seems like a great way for Google to crowd-source spam control. Of course, I could be wrong, but it seems logical to me.
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That's why we've made that specific point to Matt Cutts, he's the head of Search. It was posited to him that this would in turn be used as a weapon against a site's competitors.
He's assured us that being disavowed has no affect on rank...
Q&A With Google's Matt Cutts On How To Use The Link Disavow Tool
It's been almost two weeks since Google launched its link disavowal tool. Some have been busy diving in and using it, but others have had more detailed
Search Engine Land (searchengineland.com)
However... Like I said. he's a known liar. He told us we could trade links with relevant sites. Then we get hammered for it. And yes, I agree, it's a treasure trove of data to ignore.
Links are votes... even bad links carry some weight, but good links inside text with relevant linking text are best. If a website like these links to you, disavowing the links will subtract the link weight they carry from your profile, not theirs. They will have to be penalized by the algorithm for being spammy.
The disavow tool's main purpose is to dig people out of their spammy graves. If you had a bad linking system, or you paid someone and they did some bad things. It helps you get your reputation back... They warn only to use it if you are absolutely sure as it can hurt your own rank.
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Ranked or not, let's make sure that everyone that reads this understands how these guys operate, and checks their websites for stolen content.
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Just so everyone knows, these guys just ripped off images from Matt Donley right from the main page of SketchUp.com.
If anyone needs help getting their stuff off of any of the sites they operate, I am willing to help.
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You should screen shot things like that...
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Eric, thanks for highlighting this. Really appalling way to do business. I'm going to check this out.
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Ok, they removed Matt's image, but now have one right off of the SketchUp home page. Hope they got permission.
Feel free to weigh in Sketchup Ur Space.
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I doubt they are here... Over at our BlackBook group we determined they are indeed only a SEO website traffic scheme. People are here to learn, they just use google alerts to post new links I'm sure.
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The unfortunate downside to posting about them here is that you have probably generated more hits for them than complaints. One of the cases where even bad publicity is good.
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I don't care how many hits they get. If we don't speak about this publicly it will never get dealt with.
They are allowed to get all the hits they want, they shouldn't steal other people's content though. This is one of the best forums for getting the word out.
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I tend to disagree
This tactic they employ of recycling good copy from knowledgeable users into their own content is not something to ignore.
There are multiple occasions where I have spent hrs writing a detailed tut to only see it repeated elsewhere.
That alone hinders me in creating more detailed content which means users lose out.
Brushing this away is not the answer. Publicly educating these 'SketchUp Promoters' that mimicry isn't allowed or flattering.
By educating I don't mean to witch hunt them but to actually let them know that my shared content is still my content. Credit me, ask me or tell me you are using it. Don't just cut, copy and paste it and make revenue from it.
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You've got me wrong, I think they should be wiped from the face of the earth..I was merely saying 'the unfortunate downside' is that more people will go and look at the site, generating more revenue for them, while those they steal from have to struggle against them.
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agreed...
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So continue to let the dog shit in your garden with the hope that it will stop at some point?
Weird logic.
My attitude is educate not ignore.
They have used the PM system, twitter, facebook to harrass me in the past to promote their channel.
This isn't an overnight problem but a longterm campaign by their content creators to hijack others content.
I don't care if a million people visit the site based of me saying that they shouldn't. My point is to let Professional SketchUp users know that what they digest there is other people's content that is not credited.
I'm not interested in good or bad press. I'm interested in seeing people given credit where credit is due.
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Arrrrgh, I agree with everything you are saying!!!! I don't think it should be ignored!!! I agree that something needs to be done and it should be yelled from the top of the highest peak, But, and it's a very tiny but, I was simply saying that while posting here is a good thing to help educate people to this practice, the very nature of people going to look at it so they know what to guard against increases their hits and therefore their revenue, at least in the short term. If only there was a way for people not to have to visit the site to understand.
Surfing is great fun, but one unfortunate downside to it can be getting sunburnt. Doesn't mean you shouldn't go surfing.
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It is SketchUpUrSpace I want to educate not members here. I certainly don't want to see them 'wiped of the face of the planet'.
They need to know that it is not a nice practice.
Telling people here that my content copy was used elsewhere might cause that person to say...
'Hey, Rich doesn't deserve to have his tutorials posted elsewhere. I am going to give them a piece of my mind about that'
Instead, I get some dude going 'Arrggh' cause he thinks I don't know what he is saying. Great.
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I'm quite happy for you to delete this whole conversation.
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I totally agree with Box's point. Sites like these only live for traffic, they don't give a rats a$$ where they get their content from. In their minds, any exposure is good exposure. I don't imagine they really care what we say about them here as long as it drive traffic to their site.
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@Box, I get what you're saying...one thing that would help NOT drive traffic to their site is to make your link in the 2nd post of this thread not clickable.
I too have experienced Rajib copying an article I wrote and reposting it on his site. He removed it after Matt from MasterSketchup and I emailed him asking him to remove it. I refused to create content for their site after seeing how shabby the site was run.
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Very dodgy. Appalling spilling und grandma
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