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  • A Offline
    arail1
    last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 23:09

    I think real important plugins when considering export to sub d are RemoveLonelyVertices or Vertex Tools. Even after you've thought through what the other program wants and modeled accordingly you can end up with a lot of tris because of hidden vertices at mid line positions in SketchUp (for instance when you had a polygon intersecting another polygon and then deleted the intersection)

    Hope that helps in some way.

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      pilou
      last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 23:38

      @unknownuser said:

      The reasons for learning Blender for me are numerous from animations, nurb modeling

      Maybe I am wrong but seems Blender has not yet so many tools for nurbs ?

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        solo
        last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 23:43

        @unknownuser said:

        @unknownuser said:

        The reasons for learning Blender for me are numerous from animations, nurb modeling

        Maybe I am wrong but seems Blender has not yet so many tools for nurbs ?

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          Rich O Brien Moderator
          last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 23:47

          Here's a good example why using n-gons in SU and then fixing them in Blender still causes havoc...

          Image 4.png

          Image 3.png

          For modeling something like this logo you need to forward plan a small bit.

          Both circles that meet in the middle must have a common amount of adjacent verts...

          Image 5.png

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            solo
            last edited by 3 Nov 2013, 23:54

            Rich, So how would one use SU with Blender then going forward? What I mean is Sketchup even to be considered or should one just break the ties and go Blender 100%? As it seems that the mesh SU creates is pretty useless in Blender.

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              Rich O Brien Moderator
              last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 00:19

              No, it's the habit that SU creates that is the problem.

              Is is so easy to draw circles, have incorrect topology and create n-gons in SU that the user is pretty much learning a modeling approach that goes against every convention in every other app.

              It is not to say SU is at fault it is that the user takes the lazy approach. Hence people whining that nothing is like SU and failing to step outside the comfort zone.

              I model most of my Blender proxies in SU because it is quicker. I don't do detail work in SU though.

              One of 2 things will happen here. You'll either have a Eureka moment or you'll just constantly flog SU into doing something it in't meant to do...

              I've no problem helping out while you transition but I ain't investing time when I get the impression it is already proving too non-SU.

              The reason I adopted Blender was I needed better animation tools. But months of 'why does this SU export cause this or that' meant the progress was slow. But now I know when to open S or when to open Blender.

              I don't have a secret I just learned when to stop in SU and when to migrate models to Blender.

              thea logo.skp

              Here's what I would make in SU prior to Blender export for the sub-d work. Nothing anyone else couldn't do.

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                dedmin
                last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 13:00

                About units in Blender - this is very confusing for new users:
                http://www.katsbits.com/tutorials/blender/metric-imperial-units.php

                Importing Google SketchUp files into Blender 3D - advanced:
                http://www.katsbits.com/tutorials/blender/import-google-sketchup-kmz-models-advanced.php

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                  dedmin
                  last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 13:01

                  @solo said:

                  And another thing, what software do folks use when doing a tutorial that shows what mouse and keyboard button is pressed?

                  2013-11-04_103216.jpg

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                    michaliszissiou
                    last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 13:51

                    OK, joining the club.

                    There are many reasons to turn a geometry to quads.
                    SketchUp supports n-gons based geometry.
                    Blender also supports n-gons.
                    The way to import the SUp n-gons to blender and continue to be N-gons is the Collada format.
                    Import in blender as collada then.
                    Enter edit mode, select all (A), press W menu/[remove doubles], select all again, [ctrl+N], this will turn all normals of faces outwards , in case something messed up in SUp.
                    Now you are ready to go for a nice UV unwrapping. No need to import textures from SUp (it is possible) because the SUp default unwrapping can be automatically generated in blender. It is the cubic projection.
                    The blender UV editor is one of the more powerful around and I suggest you to learn it.

                    Now, you re ready to setup a scene, lighting and go for a Cycles rendering.
                    And, more additional modeling of course.

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                      JQL
                      last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 14:21

                      I tried exporting a model from SU to render in Blender, with little success. Is there a way to export cameras from SU to Blender? That was mostly where I stuck because everything was already set in SU.

                      Thanks,

                      JQL

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                        solo
                        last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 14:42

                        @jql said:

                        I tried exporting a model from SU to render in Blender, with little success. Is there a way to export cameras from SU to Blender? That was mostly where I stuck because everything was already set in SU.

                        Thanks,

                        JQL

                        Looking at the addons in Blender there are many importers and exporters, I wonder what it will take or who it will take to write one for Sketchup, one that will support layers, groups, components, camera's and even animations.

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                          solo
                          last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 17:52

                          My first attempt at following a tutorial.

                          I changed the obstacle to the Thea logo and opted to render with the Thea plugin and not Cycles as Cycles was still rendering after 15 minutes (too slow) and Thea completed it in just over 3 minutes.

                          blend test.png

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                            Rich O Brien Moderator
                            last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 17:57

                            Winner.

                            Show the blender mesh.

                            Mine way to quickly learn commands is with the dynamic menu. Hit space bar while in the viewport and start typing.

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                              solo
                              last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:06

                              @rich o brien said:

                              Winner.

                              Show the blender mesh.

                              Mine way to quickly learn commands is with the dynamic menu. Hit space bar while in the viewport and start typing.

                              What is supposed to happen when you hit space, I get a window that opens but not sure what to do then.

                              Here is the screen shot.

                              blender screen1.jpg

                              thealogoblender.jpg

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                                Rich O Brien Moderator
                                last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:26

                                You should see this command palette...

                                Image 7.png

                                ...here you can type a word to see what the command is...

                                example...if you needed to merge verts hit space - type merge...

                                Image 8.png

                                ...and you'll see the command is Alt+M

                                Great way to learn what is the shortcuts and the commands.

                                I'd really like to see the Thea Logo in edit mode.

                                Select it, hit edit and then hit / on the numpad to go into local view.

                                Take a screengrab while in edit mode so we can see the mesh.

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                                  andybot
                                  last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:39

                                  Woohoo!! Thanks for starting this thread Pete, glad to see Rich and Michalis right on board! I will be watching and participating as I can. I ❀ Blender!

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                                    andybot
                                    last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:49

                                    My tool of choice in SU is TIG's "Triangulate Faces" plugin. Before exporting anything to Blender that I will be editing in Blender, I always make sure I can see the entirety of my topology, and then make extensive use of the sandbox "Flip Edge" tool. I use TIG's obj exporter for my conversion, then import with the "keep vert order" option. (This is important for vray proxies, plus it helps keep the outliner neater.) Then in Blender: Mesh -> vertices - > "remove doubles", and Alt-J for tris to Quads.

                                    http://charlottesvillearchitecturalrendering.com/

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                                      solo
                                      last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:58

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      I'd really like to see the Thea Logo in edit mode.

                                      I inserted it into post above, not much done to it from export, I figured it would be under water so it will be fine. πŸ˜•

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                                        solo
                                        last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 18:59

                                        @andybot said:

                                        My tool of choice in SU is TIG's "Triangulate Faces" plugin. Before exporting anything to Blender that I will be editing in Blender, I always make sure I can see the entirety of my topology, and then make extensive use of the sandbox "Flip Edge" tool. I use TIG's obj exporter for my conversion, then import with the "keep vert order" option. (This is important for vray proxies, plus it helps keep the outliner neater.) Then in Blender: Mesh -> vertices - > "remove doubles", and Alt-J for tris to Quads.

                                        Ooo, thanks, gonna try this.

                                        http://www.solos-art.com

                                        If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                          Rich O Brien Moderator
                                          last edited by 4 Nov 2013, 19:24

                                          Do you want my .blend file? It's a bit rough but you might see things that raise some questions?

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